4 Takeaways from the Minicamp

There was no tackling and no real contact. Which means you take all this with a grain of salt. To my mind this is still a team that has to fight to get to 8 wins. My guess is 6 right now. BUT - that doesn’t mean they can’t be better than that (or worse). But in some ways I do think we’ll see significant improvement.

This piece is from Jeff Risdon over at Lionswire.com:

The secondary could be better than expected

Last year the defensive backfield looked more like a minefield for the Lions. Between injuries, schematic shenanigans and just plain poor play, it was an unquestionable weak point.
It’s obviously very early, but the secondary showed some real promise this week. Top CB Jeff Okudah looked spry and healthy in Tuesday session. He also looked confident in his ability, something that was noticeably absent in his rookie season in Detroit.
The Lions signed a couple of free agents who figure to play a lot in cornerbacks Quinton Dunbar and Corn Elder. Both are athletic upgrades over their now-departed predecessors. Safeties Will Harris and Tracy Walker each had positive moments playing in the new split-safety scheme. Holdover Mike Ford had some great reps in the slot, while young journeyman Alex Brown showed speed and awareness outside.
There is a ton of work to be done. They did not have to play run defense or tackle yet. But there is some sunshine peeking through the clouds on the dark spot that was the Lions secondary in 2020.

Worries about Jared Goff’s arm strength are overplayed

Nobody will ever mistake Jared Goff’s arm for Matthew Stafford’s. Let’s get that out of the way right from the top. But the hyperventilating worries from some fans about Goff and his ability to throw the ball with enough velocity and tightness down the field should be blown away with his performance thus far.
An example came on Tuesday when Goff lasered a ball over good coverage from LB Alex Anzalone on RB D’Andre Swift. The throw required both mustard and touch, and Goff delivered on both accounts. He sizzled a few balls in the red zone, too. As I said on the Detroit Lions Podcast recap show this week, Goff’s arm strength is every bit as good out to 30 yards as former Colts standout Andrew Luck–having seen them both in person in similar environs.
There are still reasons to fret about Goff as the quarterback. Arm strength isn’t one of them.

The running backs are going to catch a lot of passes

Consider this a hybrid point of the receiving skills of the running backs and the relative lack of skills of the actual wide receivers. D’Andre Swift and Jamaal Williams both look fantastic in the passing game. Swift is smooth and polished as a route runner and has natural hands. Williams is a big target with sticky mitts and suave footwork to get open. They’re good as receivers and they know it–and Goff does too.
As for the wideouts, well…

Tyrell Williams had some moments. He’s got speed and the ability to extend his catch radius vertically, playing above the rim so to speak. There’s not a lot of nuance to his routes, at least not visible during practices yet, but he’s capable of making things happen down the field and in the red zone.
Rookie Amon-Ra St. Brown looks comfortable in the slot and flashed some sticky hands of his own. He’s all business and shows attention to detail that the coaches love. It was also pretty apparent from the two practices I’ve caught that he’s just not a dynamic athlete and that puts a ceiling on how much he can offer.
There is some clear potential in the UDFA ranks with Jonathan Adams, Sage Surratt and Javon McKinley all having some legit moments. But they’re UDFAs that have a lot to prove once the pads come on and hitting/blocking starts.
Veteran journeyman Breshad Perriman did little to dispel my previous experience in covering him; he’ll make a really nice play or two but it’s interspersed with at least double that many reps where he appears ineffective or indifferent. Kalif Raymond has speed and wiggle in space out of the slot that intrigues, but at this point, it’s difficult to project him to be more than the return specialist and occasional target in the offense.
It all adds up to the potential for Swift and Williams to each catch a lot of passes in Anthony Lynn’s offense. It’s premature for bold proclamations, but it wouldn’t surprise me if each caught more passes in the regular season than any wideout currently in Detroit does.

The players love the ex-players as coaches

One constant from the rookie minicamp through OTAs and again this week in minicamp was the energy and attitude of the new coaching staff.
RB coach Duce Staley doesn’t just tell his charges what to do. He willingly demonstrates the proper footwork or release from coverage. The same is true with WR coach Antwan Randle El, who absolutely looks like he can still play. OL coach Hank Fraley, the most prominent holdover coach, has no problem taking reps in the rotation to show what he wants from Penei Sewell or Frank Ragnow–and the players quickly respond.
It’s a different coaching approach and culture in Detroit that starts at the top with Campbell. The players, especially the ones who have been in Detroit longer than a year, seem to genuinely appreciate and enthusiastically embrace the more energetic, hands-on, “been there myself” examples from the plethora of NFL vets who are now coaching in Detroit. It’s infectious to the players and shows in their effort in reps and respect to the staff.

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This is the part that’s really interesting to me. Obviously, the Lions have gone all-in on this approach of bringing in coaches at all levels who’ve been there themselves. I have to assume this approach comes from DC and his experience in New Orleans in particular. (If you read the article from back when he hired Mark Brunell, he talks about the huge role Brunell played in Drew Brees’ success when he was a backup QB there and basically a coach on the field.) It’s not surprising that players are responding to this approach–to getting coached by guys who’ve been exactly where they are, who they probably watched growing up and playing Madden. More surprising to me is that no other team, to my knowledge, has really tried this before.

I sure hope it works. It would be awesome if Detroit became a breeding ground for future coaches and coordinators, a destination for great players who are also great teachers and communicators to come when their playing days are over.

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And besides that, if your coach is instructing you in something and you know he has done it himself on the field, then that adds some credence to what he’s telling you. If he’s actually listening to you and trying to find ways to make you a more productive and therefore a more valuable player, then you’ve got buy-in and more motivated players.

Maybe I’m wrong, but if Detroit can create that kind of environment here then that is a positive recruitment factor for future FAs. Word gets around the league pretty fast these days, a lotta guys would rather go somewhere that they have some input rather than somebody trying to stuff them into a role they don’t like or are not particularly suited for. I think the Lions have lost some decent players for that reason; to be sure, money plays a big part but you want to make the Lions an attractive place to play ball. The trick though, is to win games, enough to validate the approach and make it permanent.

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Tate, Slay, and Diggs because they had personalities and their HC didn’t.

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Nice post.

One thing I will say is I am sick and tired of all the Jared Goff doesn’t have the arm Matthew Stafford has crap.

Is it just me or is anyone else sick of it? Goff is an NFL QB that went #1 overall. Dude has a cannon and can make all the throws.

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I agree that I’m tired of hearing it and reading about it. But, it’s not going to stop until Goff has success this year in Detroit.

Stafford is the savior in LA and Goff is trash, that’s the narrative main stream sports media are selling. If you stand up and say wait a second, Stafford has never won a playoff game and Goff has taken a team to the super bowl and is 7 years younger, you are immediately met with hate and insults online for pointing out valid and truthful statistics. It’s the same playbook when watching mainstream news channels and or politics. Sports media is no different. Best to just avoid it because the narrative won’t change until games are actually played.

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That’s what you took from this? He flat out says no one will ever mistake his arm for Staffords. Goff has a decent arm, it’s not a cannon and he can’t make the off platform throws Stafford can, period

I think that’s his retort, not what he thinks Risdon said.

I’m not sure why people get bent out of shape when it’s said that Goff doesn’t have the cannon that Stafford does. That’s akin to saying a quarterback doesn’t have the wheels of Michael Vick. My reaction is, “Duh. Few do.”

Goff has plenty of arm, even if it’s not quite Stafford’s. Unless it’s Kellen Moore-esque, arm strength is rarely an issue in the NFL.

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Its early but looking back at last season few things I see .

First staff i think whole staff is major improvement a Plus
I think secondary is improved not in huge way but better than last season a Plus
LB is a push an need couple up grades Push
Dl is improved even using couple of rookies a Plus
OL nothing need to be said a Plus
TE i think its a plus when you see backups have to be better than Jessie Plus
RB I think with addition of Williams its a plus
OB I think is a push until we see one way or other Push
WR this is in major over haul is a Negative how bad we don’t have any idea.

I think by time season starts this will be a way better team that what ended last season younger better staff an on improvement ladder.

Not kool aid just look back what we had an what we have now an really only couple major money costs…Romeo would be only one we cleared out a lot oh high price go through motion players.

We added short term hungry players.
We may not win many games but like HC says an his staff the other team will know when they finish game they were in a hard game.

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Yep, those ‘off platform’ throws were huuuge in our three years of double digit loses.

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Laughing what are off platform throws?
I agree with your post an I am Stafford fan some just attack Goff cus we didn’t draft there QB this season so they will nit pick all year. Its what some do best.
If your talking roll outs people need to check when Goff had really good years.( the going to SB year an playoffs) You will see him doing run fake an then rolling an then passing to RB for big gains oh RB was Gurley Change name to Swift an Jamaal

One other thing that stuck out to me, when one of the writers was touting Swift catching a TD pass, it was over “tight coverage by Tavai”.
I didn’t think that was a thing. Tavai, tight coverage?
I don’t care if it is Minicamp, that doesn’t compute.
Except that these coaches must be doing something different.

Watching Tavai cover running backs in the past I could just hear Ernie Harwell. "“He stood there like the house by the side of the road and watched that one go by.” .

Maybe times are changing. :slight_smile:

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Oh man that hit home…I can hear Ernie’s voice in my head. There was nothing like listening to Ernie harwell broadcast a tigers game. The only thing that was close was Keith Jackson for college football.

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The part I like is Dan Campbell saying they want guys that love football. Not guys that are just there for the paycheck. You’re going to have much better teams and locker rooms without those kinds of players.

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Totally agree, used to sneak my transister radio into elementary school to listen to Ernie! As a Michigan Wolverines fan Bob Ufer was fun to listen to, as well!

“He stood there like the house by the side of the road and watched that one go by.”
“A man from Hamtramck will go home with that one.”
“It’s two for the price of one.”
“He’s out for excessive window shopping.”
“It’s LOOOOOOONG GONE!”
“One more out and it’ll be a Tiger victory.”
“That’s a strike! Mr. Kaiser said so.”
“The Tigers are looking for some instant runs.”
“He kicks and deals…”
“Nothing across…”

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Yes they were. To bad Quintricia was so bad, of course you whined about them and the historically bad D, as well. In those 3 yrs, how many wins came without Stafford again?

Stafford can throw off balance, side arm 3/4, cross his body, going backwards, because of his elite arm. Things he did regularly, Rodgers even made the remark about how good Stafford was off platform.

As to drafting a QB, wrong guy, there was only 2 I liked, both long gone before our pick. Wanted nothing to do with Fields or Lance

Where I disagree somewhat:

I think our LBs will be a plus rather than a push, mostly cuz the bar is so low. Our LBs were pretty bad last year, too big and slow so I think this year’s group has to be better almost by default. Also, the LB coaching will be better IMHO and this year’s different defense and an improve DL should lead to better LB results.

RB I worry about the depth here after Swift and Williams. I think those guys are good though. Maybe our rookie RB contributes some good stuff. But mostly I think a better OL helps make this position, the old days when the ball carrier got hit 2 yards deep into the backfield as soon as he got the ball are hopefully over.

OB (I think you meant QB) The difference here might be in the 4th qtr with less than 3 minutes and the offense needs to score. In that situation NOBODY was better than Stafford, it was seldom his fault if they failed. Goff has to prove that he can do that too. Maybe it’s a push here but until I see something I’m calling it a minus. An improved running game doesn’t help you much in crunch time if you don’t have the lead.

WR You gotta have a deep threat to keep the defense honest, and you gotta have enough success at throwing long. Otherwise the defense has 8 or 9 guys in the box and they dare you to make the big play. I don’t know if our passing game with Goff and the WRs we have is up to it. So, a minus, and maybe a big minus if nobody steps up.

I think the job that Holmes and co have done this off-season has been very good. With so much that is unknown, there’s no real way to know how good these guys can be. I think the leadership aspect is huge, but does not overcome the nuts and bolts of football; the game-planning, the play-calling, the utilization of the player’s talents, and the in-game decisions. DC is a rookie coach, can we expect perfection?

IMHO, this season will be shakedown cruise, what works and what doesn’t, who played well and who didn’t and why. Do they keep trying to make something succeed after repeated failures? How do they adjust, the whole team. Or are they committed to the same system, year after year? I guess we’ll see.

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