This could be true but …
I don’t that’s the way this plays out
Every week the offense will evolve
It will not be a static entity
Last year you could see new twists coming in each week
You will see more of that this year
I think it’s a joke to say Johnson is making Goff look better than he is
He can draw up the plays and stress detailed execution, but the players then need to actually execute.
Goff is doing his part and should continue to improve on his execution.
Call it “the coach”
Call it strategy
call it what you want.
If ANY QB played for Marinellie’s squad…they would suck
if ANY QB played on the Patriot dynasty squads, they would look better.
The circumstances matter.
Does OL make a RB look better?
I dunno? To me we’re just talking about semantics.
Coaches are helping all of these guys hit their ceilings…which most of them would not do with lesser coaches.
Make them look better?
Help them hit their ceiling?
Put them in a place to succeed?
Strategically sound?
Great energy coaching?
Call it whatever you want…this situation is a great one for any QB.
All correct
But nobody makes people look better than they really are
All any coach can do is give the players what they need to shine
The players still have to execute
They get the most out of them.
…and Swift is getting more YPC than Barry did as well. Through my lens of the world, the OL is making him look reeeaaaally good.
Just how I see it.
I get what you are saying though.
My point is he’s getting big numbers because they are opening holes — duh right?
So they’re not making him look better
He’s just taking what they’re helping him get
Of course he’ll get the attention
But that’s just the star system that sells tickets
Players can be coached up
Players can have the advantage of a good surrounding cast
But making them look better than they are?
Odd to me …
I’d say so. Emmitt could hit a hole and take it to the house. But he couldn’t create on his own like some of the other great RBs that we have seen. He didn’t like contact and he wasn’t physical enough to run through people like Adrian Peterson. He couldn’t slash and cut like Marcus Allen. He did know how to set up his blocks and hit holes but all in all I do believe his OL made him better.
That is exactly the right question to counter my argument
His OL didn’t make HIM better, but they gave him the opportunity to post numbers comparable to Sanders and create all the silly arguments about who was better.
Smiths output was due to his OL
I’m just saying he was only as good as he was — his production is a separate matter because it wasn’t because of him and him alone.
Like the Goff / Stafford discussions now
Stafford never had an OL operating at the level of the 2022 OL (2 games in)
Stafford never had RBs running 4 yards before contact!!
I’m in the camp that if you put Smith in Detroit at that time and Sanders in Dallas, Smith would have been considered an average back and Sanders “by far” the best ever.
Same players, different situations.
We attribute too much of the production to the player vs to the team.
That’s a product marketing thing too …
Getting the most out of them.
Sure.
We’re into a conversation aobut semantics.
Even NFL evaluators miss on it though. how many times has someone put up huge numbers, gotten a great contract, gone to a lesser situation, and not made a lick of difference?
That is the case far more than “the guy lifts up his new team.”
This is why FAs are a gamble.
Is this the part where I’m supposed to say “duhh”? LOL. WTH was that?
Can we agree that, your 2-games-in examples notwithstanding, most Stafford-Goff comparisons have favored Stafford at least in part because they completely ignore significant differences in context and circumstances?
I mean, the biggest single point of comparison between the two is that Goff lost a Bowl w/the Rams and Stafford won one, right? And Stafford won one after McVay suggested specifically that he needed a QB upgrade to win the Bowl.
Never mind that:
Goff didn’t have Cooper Kupp at all in his SB, much less the current HOF version
Goff didn’t have future HOFer Jalen Ramsey
Goff didn’t have possible future HOFer Odell Beckham Jr
Goff didn’t have future HOFer Von Miller
Goff faced the Pats and future HOFer Bill Belichek, not the 10-7 Bengals
More broadly, let’s just say that in trying to make a valid point about player comparisons, it’s a bit, um, misleading to choose as your examples indicators that suggest that when Stafford went to the Rams and Goff to the Lions, GOFF somehow got the better of it! There’s a reason - reasons - Stafford wanted out of Detroit, amirite?
They didn’t make HIM better than he was — he was who he was — actually supports what I’m saying.
But yes, him being there surely motivated his teammates to a higher level. That’s leadership. That’s winning culture stuff. Also, his raw talent made it easier for others to perform at a higher level than they otherwise would have.
Regardless, they are who they are.
I guess strong leadership is one thing that can elevate guys to play better than they otherwise would be capable of.
Prime Example— our Lions seem to be punching above their weight
