Contrasts, perspectives

Entire new staff and a brand new rookie QB. We have the same owner, same GM, same 30 million dollar QB here for many years. We swapped out just the head coach, like we do every few years, and get the same results. If we had not extended Stafford and started a rookie last year under Patricia, restarting the clock would make sense. 95% of the pieces here are the same especially the major pieces, other that Fatricia.

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It’s the same owner and same GM for the Cardinals that made horrible decisions to make them the worst team in football. They even have a rookie QB because they screwed up the QB pick last year.

Theres no way in hell they get to restart the clock.

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Well, I think they get a little more leeway at least. We have a GM who fired a coach with a winning record, then hired a coach with no track record. Then forced that coach to retain an offensive coordinator. Who then fired the OC. Just scapegoat after scapegoat.

The Cardinals went back to back top draft picks on QB’s. That in itself is a testament that they aren’t going to just stick with the QB because they invested a pick into him, like we did with Stafford. They admitted their faults, licked their wounds and tried again. Then took another top QB and hired a new coaching staff and are developing a completely different philosophy.

We never really fix anything here or even try to. Extend a GM who has done nothing. Extend a QB to the richest deal after accomplishing nothing. They are trying to start over. We keep rewarding failure. Our team is much further along in the “process”, yet we tied a team that completely bottomed out last year. Awesome.

No division titles, no playoff wins (0-2), and a 4-25 record against teams with winning records cost Jim Caldwell his job.

Yeah, you can pretty much use figures like that for every coach in Lions history, including the clown we have now. Other than that Pats game last year, which was a complete unicorn of a game, we haven’t beaten any team with a winning record, while losing to 3 of the worst teams in the NFL last year. At least Caldwell did fairly well against garbage teams. Patricia has not.

That would be a rarity. Between 1970 and 1974, just before OT was instituted, not many teams had 2 or more ties in a season:

1970 Oakland Raiders 8-4-2
1970 San Diego Chargers 5-6-3
1970 Kansas City Chiefs 7-5-2
1970 Atlanta Falcons 4-8-2
1971 Green Bay Packers 4-8-2
1971 New Orleans Saints 4-8-2
1971 Oakland Raiders 8-4-2
1973 Cleveland Browns 7-5-2
1973 Kansas City Chiefs 7-5-2
1973 Denver Broncos 7-5-2
1973 Green Bay Packers 5-7-2

Sure they do. Just keep talking out of both sides of your mouth and move the goalposts each time you provide a poor example.

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In 2000, Gary Moeller was 2-2 against teams with winning records.

first damn game of the season and it’s “OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!” It’s like watching Alice In Wonderland over and over here each and every season ! Patricia has barely got a chance @ HC here and is being labeled already as a POS. how many season did Bill B get before He was named a great HC?

and who would have thought Decker would just about get himself thrown off the team with his pathetic play game ONE !? Caldwell?? he was a meat head here, how many times did he mess up while HE was HC !? how many playoffs and bowls did HE get the Lions? I seem to remember looking like a team that had no idea wtf they were doing until after halftime…over and over again…Stafford saved his ass from being fired sooner than he was , by all those comeback wins in the 4th quarter…for how many games that season??? games we ‘would-have lost’ under Caldwell. But Stafford did not quit and bought him more wins. AND IF our o-line showed up , we should be able to run or pass at will against our opponents . game one all the bugs are supposed to be fixed ?? based off what?

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This certainly didn’t help:

Neither did this:

The Lions just tied the team that picked first in the draft who had their starting secondary in street clothes. This after a season that took a huge step backwards. Why should anyone be positive about that?

Patricia took over a team that was “too talented” to “only” go 9-7, was gifted a running game, and managed to poop his pants with it. He then followed up by blowing the easiest game on the schedule the following year.

Let’s stop the Belichick comparisons. At this point, it’s looking like it’s more realistic to compare Patricia to Crennel, Weis, or Mangini.


Contrast and perspective?
Russ Thomas -22 yrs GM record 138-175-9
Chuck Schmidt- 12 years GM record 95-97
Matt Millen - 8 years GM record 31-97-0
Martin Mayhew - 8 yrs GM record 47-81-0
Bob Quin - 3 years plus one game as GM record 24-24-1

we had a running game?? when?? we had all kinds of different things wrong with the team and it’s leaders in 2018…with Jim Bob we weren’t lighting it up in running , a first time ever HC in the NFL, and a Defense that was ice cold at the beginning of 2018 , our starting QB’s wife was diagnosed with brain cancer…and Matt wasn’t right again until much later in the season after he found out she would make a full recovery.

Finally, we’re a .500 football team.


I know right? LOL
Best in our lifetime. (that this old goat can remember)


thanks for taking the time, dude. Interesting stuff.


Since you are in love with their GM, let’s revisit his 1st round picks since he took over as GM:

2013 - GONE (Johnathan Cooper)
2014 - GONE (Deone Buchanon)
2015 - Barely hanging on to a roster spot (DJ Humpheries)
2016 - GONE (Robert Nkemdeche)
2017 - Rotational player (Haason Riddick)
2018 - GONE (Josh Rosen)
2019 - Kyler Murray

Please tell me more about this absolutely breathtakingly awesome GM that we should model our franchise after. They didn’t become the worst team in football overnight, they got there by a series of bad decisions by their GM. But I know…the Lions are trash and every other team is golden no matter how much stupid chit they are doing.


If it makes anyone feel better, the Dolphins look like the worse team in the league. Like 0-16 bad.

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Rumors are that a bunch of the players are seeking trades or to be cut.

The formula has been laid out there. Just freeze your feet until they almost fall off, threaten to retire over your helmet, attempt to punch the GM in the face and record the coach and post it on social media. Then all that’s left is to say “release me.” Piece of cake.

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