Cowherd has Lions 8th best behind Tampa & Seattle, lol

Yes sir

They look legit with Sam at QB now… imho vikes screwed up with giving him up … his light bulb came on finally! Some have learning curves that are longer…

He is four years younger than Geno and his production is better as well

Last year what nine or ten wins? And they only got better imho

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Well, there are a few ways to rank teams, right? You could look at W/L records of course, perhaps points for and points against, or yards for and yrds against. And I know a few people try to take all three (record, points, yards) and do a composite ranking, which does add value.

DVOA (the acronym actually should be VOA - Value over Average, which is still a poor title), looks at thing differently - it looks at each play and its result in the context of the game. Two yards on third and one is great. Two yards on first and ten is bad. Give up a TD when you’r up 34-14 in the fourth quarter is not as bad as giving up a TD when its 20-20 in the fourth quarter. And so on. It takes the result of each play, and scores it. It has been shown to predict final records better than points or yards.

Just poke around google and you can find fuller descriptions on how it does the scoring. Developed by a guy who doesn’t have dog in the fight.

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I think they would have kept him if it wasn’t for the games against us and the Rams, where he kind made a mess of the bed. Minus those two games, yes, he had an unbeleiveble year. We made that (i.e. not re-signing him) happen.

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Well if it has Philly at 12, you can throw that shit right out the window.

Mad Work GIF

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Bad takes should not be shared. Why push traffic to him? Why link a video so others can watch and increase his ad revenue? Just ignore it….let it float into the ether. Cowherd won - we lost. You shared, people clicked, Cowherd profits. Sharing a bad video does no harm to him, it helps him.

The best way to bury idiots in media……is by not watching their content.

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JJ’s explained it well. I’ll just add that it’s adjusted for strength of opponent, too. If we’re looking at offensive DVOA and you hang a 40-burger on Seattle, your offensive scores will be higher than if you played the Saints.

One other thing…. DVOA used to be a free FootballOutsiders thing. Now it’s part of ftnfantasy.com and is a paid service. The wonderful world of gambling. Quite an industry.

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Too small sample size IMO, but I do like DVOA as a measuring stick vs other methods… It’s like everyone bashing the Ravens defense after 3 games when they played two top 5 offenses… Of course they’re going to look bad. From my eye, the Rams defense is at least on par with the Lions

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Philly is 20-1 in their last 21 games and probably have the most talented roster in the league, they are rated appropriately which is the Superbowl favorite.

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Nick looks like he’s the type to betray Gandalf and grow an army of Uruk-hai. Trailer park Sarumon looking ass…

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Possibly, but I think the Lions have a better offense than all of those teams.

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With friends like Nick who needs coat racks?

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Don’t worry. He will change his mind next week and the week after that.

He needs talking points and every team is fair game.

So something interesting and unrelated but not worthy of a new post. I just heard a crazy stat on the ringer Football Show. In 2025 there are four teams that are both in the top ten of offensive and defensive success rate.

The Lions, the Rams, the Packers and … the Jets :face_with_monocle:

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DVOA is skewed a bit this early into the season because some teams like Philly has played 3 playoff teams so far (KC, LAR, TB)

Vs Seattle has played 1 bubble team and 3 scrubs
SF, decent
NO, PIT, ARZ.

Thats gonna skew DVOA BIG TIME!

If the Lions had that schedule they might be averaging over 40 points a game instead of 34.

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This is 100% more logical than raw points or yards. It should in theory take out garbage data (yards and points when game in hand for 1 team or the other……) and prioritize when the game is still in flux or on the line.

Must be PIA to score due to the grind but the resulting scores seem way more useful to me.

Thanks

Like any predictive algorithm it gets better with more data. It will then “smooth out the edges” so to speak.

CalPrep is a site I used to use all the time for HS sports. They just put it behind a pay wall so I have not dug into my pocket as it is not that important to me. But it uses points but as the season progresses it tends to real nail down scores for even the chaotic world of HS sports.

Evidence for the counter argument :backhand_index_pointing_down:

https://x.com/samhoppen/status/1973174758150905888?s=46

True, but the “overall” DVOA rankings are still free - here: DVOA Rankings - NFL Team Stats

AS @LineBusy pointed out, strength of opponents IS factored in the DVOA scores. They also have other metrics which partially account for early season variability which is under another unfortunate acronym called DAVE (Dvoa Adjusted for Variation Early). DAVE takes account of pre-season rankings, and decreases the weight it places on pre-season every week, I think by week 12 or something, ithe pre-season weight goes to 0. We like the DAVE rankings:

1-DET

2-BUF

3-KC

4-LAR

5-BAL

6-WAS

7-PHI

8-GB

9-DEN

10-SEA

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We have:

10/20 vs Bucs

11/16 @ Eagles

11/27 vs Packers

12/14 @ Rams

The outcome of those games will obviously effect playoff seeding and go a long way to determining who is the “best” team in the NFC.

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I predict that we win 3 of those games.

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