So the question is, should the Lions Extend him.
I was originally saying no. Just 5th year option and tag him. Get 3 more seasons then let him walk for a 3rd round comp pick. HOWEVER i need to see if this contract is realistic.
@DeadStroke i was crunching numbers. Is this realistic?
3 years 63M extension on top of what is left. The 5th year will be more than year one of an extension.
You’re right I didn’t include the fifth year option. Which really it just brings down the 29 &30 roster total slightly. Every thing else would be the same.
Personally I’d wait until next year
You save more money doing it now.
Spread out the signing bonus over 6 years not 5.
and beat the market.
Again the point of this breakdown is to show. Even if they sign him today. Cap hit only goes up slightly this year. Then its cheaper the next 2 seasons. And you can cut/ trade him for cheap in 2029.
Which has been our MO. Personally I think Gibbs should be the first guy to get paid. He’s very important to the way our offense works.
i get Kerby got hurt. But i had no problem signing him.
The only year it “hurts” the team is 2027 as a $9.1m cap hit.
But after 2027 he can be cut for dirt cheap.
So the gamble of signing early is what? A risk 3 years after signing. With no real effect on the cap those first 3 years.
This is why paying your own draft picks early is so important. It gives you flexibility in worse/best case scenarios you don’t get with waiting or signing outside free agents
Yeah waiting has the opposite effect. The longer you wait, the more you paint yourself into a corner.
Agree IF they are worth it AND if they are outplaying their 5th year option (if a first rounder). I think doing with Hutch was smart, same if we do it with Gibbs, Jamo was an error IMO and he went on to lead the NFL in dropped passes. His concentration and attention to detail has always shown itself. Yes he has electric speed, but look no further than the Raiders and Miami over the years to know that isn’t all you need.
You know Jamo’s drops drive me insane but if he hit FA, he’s getting far more than that contract we gave him and if we put him on the trade block I think he’s fetching a 2nd maybe more given the dearth of options in FA and in this draft class.
Chris Olave was 2nd team all pro and had comparable numbers to Jamo.
With all that being said I might trade Jamo because St.Brown is coming up for a 3rd contract here soon and if Jamo duplicates last year 2 more times someone is making him one of the highest paid receivers in the league, it won’t be Brad Holmes
Yuuuup
He’s still a major factor for us when he’s not getting the ball. The way defenses are so complicated nowadays, just by having him out there, he has a gravity that pulls defenders to him and restricts them schematically. The drops can be maddening, but when you factor his affect on the D, the blocking, and what he does give us once the ball’s in his hands, I think he’s easily worth it. And yes, he would get Paid, capital P.
I think you need to get guarantees into 2029 and add another year, but the cash flow isn’t bad.
I think that impact doesn’t really matter that much within the grand scheme of winning and losing and if a team offered a high 2nd I’d drive him to the airport tonight.
Teams score a lot of points without a Jamo or his archetype on the field
Yeah fair enough, we disagree there. I think he’s very important, though I thought his overall impact was felt more with Ben at OC, likely because he worked so well in tandem with our run game (safeties had to decide how far up they could cheat), and it kinda went to shit this past year comparatively.
When it works how it’s supposed to, it keeps Goff’s favorite part of the field - the deep middle - wide open, even though every team knows that’s where he wants to attack. LBs get pulled up by our run game and play-action, safeties stay deep due to the threat of Jamo (and hopefully TeSlaa on the sideline too), ARSB and LaPorta have a ton of room to work. It’s a symbiotic relationship though, and has to stay finely balanced and I don’t think that happened as much this year.
I also think defenses are sooo complicated nowadays and are just going to get more convoluted after Seattle’s success, and the best way to counter it is with 1) a run game where all the bells and whistles they throw at you mean less, 2) routes/players that punish teams that can’t solve that run game and the simple decisions it throws at them (how deep the safeties/LBs should be, which way should the secondary shade, etc…). Keep things both simple and complicated, like chess.
For all the current state of things, offenses are the attackers while defenses are still, you know, on the defensive, which just inherently means a well run offense should be able to dictate proceedings. What MacDonald and his ilk have done is try and take back the impetus and they’ve done a great job of it, but at its heart all they’ve done is fool the attacker into making mistakes. When both sides are well run, it comes down to all those little 50/50 decisions players have to make, and the above sort of offense puts the most stress on defenders to make them, imo.
Well that turned into a rant, I apologize lol. Fingers started blazing over the keyboard.
No apology necessary, that was beautiful.
I don’t know the answer, so I’m sitting this one out.
So one more year over all scaled up. Ill run the numbers and see how it looks
I was thinking the same thing after looking at kerbys deal. One more year of guarantees than i have with Gibbs.
