Amen brother!
He’s gonna get along with MCD really well. Just see Goff’s reaction around 17:50 or maybe a bit later when Campbell’s name is mentioned, and tell me that’s not so.
100% agree. I was impressed. Just really excited to see this going forward.
I don’t give 2 shits what the guy says in an interview, I care about what he does on the field. He ain’t Stafford, get over it.
Same here.
I think he has enough of what it takes. Maybe Stafford did too, but this is the guy we have now. So we’ll see
This staff and front office will be the difference, if there is one.
Yep I loved Stafford as a QB, but Goff is here now and if he’s the guy I hope they do what ever to help him succeed. I hope Stafford has great success with the Rams, but I also hope Goff has great success here.
Wanted to log my impressions on this before I read a bunch of other people’s (I’ll go back and check you out ;).
Don’t know a lot about Goff as a personality till now, admittedly. I’d heard he wasn’t affective. Somewhat true. He’s the opposite of Campbell to some extent, who wears pretty much everything on his sleeve. Goff definitely has a buttoned up quality, comparatively (or whatever that’s called when you’re wearing a polo). A reserved sensibility, yes. He’s like a Ronald Reagan presidency come to quarterback your team.
There’s also a quiet churn there that doesn’t cause me to doubt his sincerity. There were some things communicated, and the directness with which they communicated, that caught my attention:
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He’s picked up on the company line pretty quickly: This is about Detroit, their people, their grit, their loyalty and committed fanbase. He did try to be aware of that. I believe in his early ‘Detroit awakening’. So I believe in the openness that he’s portraying.
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In lieu of that, I thought the “I don’t agree that we’re rebuilding” line was of interest. It pretty quickly seems like he himself is a GM. In any case, being mindfully forefront about an attitude of progress and moving forward, despite circumstances, and given the quick turnover of the league - I’d say - is an interesting and perseverant quality for a needed leader to have. I do believe he’s up for the challenge, sincerely. (Ah, the benefits of youth…)
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“I’ve won playoff games.” Again, he is aware of his audience and his predicament. He’s got some clever politician air. I don’t hate politicians as much as many do. Comes across as a speaking-point politician, well-concerned about his image. I don’t think that’s a knock. Ambitious people are concerned about their image.
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I like that he’s up for the Detroit (curse) challenge. He sees this as a blank slate on which to make his mark. ++ He did acknowledge the chip on his shoulder. So, marks for honesty, even if he is polished.
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He answers pretty quickly and decisively. Also, I think, a positive quality for a leader.
I know overall these are personality analyses rather than football ones - but, after all, Ronald Reagan did become president.
Ps. Holmes: “For him to compete for the starting quarterback position - and, you know, definitely win - the quarterback position - I definitely expect him to reclaim that status.” -It’s either interesting that he said “compete” OR that he said “definitely” - twice. Discuss.
Every time I hear Dan Campbell speak, I get more excited about this Detroit football team. MC/DC is a surge of adrenaline every time he steps behind the mic. The motivational factor in this Head Coach is a variable that is hard to calculate on paper. It’s not a 40 time…or a height or weight. It’s not something you can put on a stat line.
Dan has it. That coachability trait…to squeeze 2oz’s of lemon juice, out of a 1oz lemon.
This s the first time in my life that the players have had the front offices AND coaching staff on their side, in fighting the Detroit curse.
We’re gonna exorcize the demons! (in Ace Ventura voice)
People are on the same page anyway. So - it would seem that the communication that they trumpeted is indeed being spread about. I read your description - and it seems we’re catching the same vibes.
These are all good introductory (honeymoon) feels. How long they can sustain them will be the difference.
People who make a 9-minute video of their highlights and their charitable giving, as they say goodbye for the third time, while saying, “You know I don’t seek the limelight,” for example.
I hear ya. But to be fair I’m pretty sure it was a third party twitter guy that made that video…
Or that’s the first way it came out. It didn’t come out on the Detroit Lion’s website, initially
Ok so interesting distinction you made there… Goff being a calming yet confident leadership style vs. Stafford being more alpha. However, Stafford and Goff kind of have that same low key quiet confidence about them, but I think I see the distinction you are making.
There were times in Stafford’s tenure as a Lion I felt he “pressed” too much, and tried to will the team into a win yet wound up making mistakes that ultimately cost the team. Trying to win the game himself so to speak. This is just my impression of him at times, so feel free to disagree.
As far as Goff is concerned, maybe not so “alpha” but calmer and still confident, but also not having that element of trying to “win it by himself.”
So I guess my question to you is, while you said you preferred Stafford’s style, do you think Goff’s style may have more long term success and better results? In that, he doesn’t try to win games by himself and rely on his talent but tries to work within the offense and what they do best?
I hope this question makes sense, and feel free to ask clarifying questions… I do think I see the distinction you’re making but I find it very interesting you pinpointed a difference between two guys I think most would view as the “quiet confident” type.
Anyway just psychological personality question stuff which I love! Really appreciate your insight as always
It sure worked for Caldwell. How many Caldwell’s wins were rescued at the last moment by Stafford?
How does Caldwell factor into this?? I guess you’re saying Stafford’s comeback ability was a force. It was.
I think the OP’s original point sticks: What are the conditions that Stafford feels ‘pressure’? Does he come built with it - or is it a response-measure?
Fair question, I think.
I think you can make a case for either. Keep in mind, I’m speaking purely about how they show up energetically/emotionally. I think Matt’s wiring is more like a Dan Campbell type QB. I think Matt is very much like Favre was. Favre could win because of the team he was on. Goff may be better able to lead some teams. I liked Sofatso’s point about last minute wins (Caldwell did that on purpose). I feel Matt is more wired for a come from behind win. I feel like Matt may rely on, and believe in, his talent more. Gambler style. I definitely get what you are saying about Goff, and the success will be largely dependent upon being in a situation that is conducive to their leadership styles. I am not a pro level talent evaluator, but I can read energy very well. Stafford is more a fit for a team that wants to impose it’s will upon you, and have those types of players follow him. Soft-ass coaches are more likely to call timeout while your in the middle of your game-winning drive against the Cardinals.
It’s like a watered down version of Montana vs Brady. Brady will impose his will on you more and infuse energy into the entire team more, but Montana can orchestrate with precision accuracy and have a calming presence. Depends on the style and philosophy of what they are surrounded by.
I love the idea of shoving the football up the other team’s ass and imposing your will on them. I think Matt’s wired more like that. I also can see how you can do that with the run game (like Eli Manning’s Giants did, maybe a solid comparison to Goff, in this way, though I like Goff better than Eli).
Goff may be more Vulcan in his approach. Matt is more Hulk. “It’s let’s outsmart them” vs “screw those guys, let’s go kick their ass.”
Our coach says QB isn’t the guy that wins/loses games, so they may take a more conservative approach, and just try to play mistake free. From what Wes was saying, I think it feels like we may try to slam it into them with the run game, loosen them up/keep them honest with deep routes, and take them deep, once we’ve lulled them to sleep with J-Will, Hoch, and Swift?
I think we have a coach that will adjust to the talent and strength of his guys. I definitely prefer Matt’s wiring, but I feel either one can be very successful, if placed in the right situation. Goff’s situation is light years ahead of anything Matt ever got to play under.
I prefer Matt, but Goff is so much younger. I think Matt’s style is more fun to watch, and more appealing to me personally. I think the team Goff is surrounded by will keep him clean and protect him more than Matt ever was, and Goff will have more space to create with his intelligence vs talent. Matt was all guts, making plays while running for his life, and his mindset afforded him that opportunity as much as his talent did.
I’m a Goff fan now, though!
Let’s go Lions.
I just slammed that out fast. Hope I answered your question.
Not to speak for him, but I think DStrong’s main point remains: Where was Matt more of an alpha?
“When it mattered,” you might say.
It was always too late.
There was never the immediate drive and impulse to kill the opponent before they started, with Matthew. Never.
Where does his immediacy come from? Wherefrom the core drive? It’s an interesting question that DStrong rephrased in a productive way.
For Matthew, his powers were reactionary. Steal my mail - I don’t care. Molest my wife - all hell.
What if there were a QB that were able to experience that level of incentive as a baseline motive?
{Enter Jared Goff: American Psycho.}
I love the idea of shoving the football up the other team’s ass
That’s…what…she…said?!? Am I doing that right Natty? Lol
Like he said, Caldwell and Patricia coached it that Way Keep it close, play conservative, protect the pathetic D, eat clock, let Stafford win in the end. Caldwell talked about it specifically, and went so far as to say Austin even tried to eat time on the D side when he could.
As far as play qtr by qtr, that is a myth, the stats show a consistency, and the 4th qtr wasn’t his best. However when things went as planned Stafford is one if the best if not the best winning in the clutch. McVey and Snead went thru all Staffords plays going back yrs. They felt the chance to get a QB as good as Stafford is rare. They had traded from 15 to 1, giving up multiple 1sts and a $129 mill contract to Goff. They then gave up Goff 2 more 1sts and a 3rd along with Goff to get a QB as good as Stafford. Had Stafford not become available, Goff would still be in LA