So did it break already?
It crazy we can use a witness statement from a person who died one year ago in a case going to trail today as fact…
But a witness statement from multiple people written 2000 years ago - that have never been disapproved to anything other than that - an eye witness account is now not valid
Like a oersons testimony can’t be valid after 1499 years! 
Jesus is cross mentioned in multiple book of history. He was real and lived.
The idea he was also God, the resurrection etc is also in those written letters by eye witnesses…,. But even the Bible’s says that some will believe and some won’t…. So I get it if anyone disagrees
But, no one can “prove” it false either…
When you look at creation and how it was made, science still screams it was created by something…, I’ve beloved this since I was 13 but rolled as an agnostic…,
In fac, there can’t be atheism…… if you “believe” in nothing then that is your higher power. Yes?
So I feel we are all at a minimum agnostic…… and pick our highly powers ignorantly and or purposely…. And it’s doesn’t have to mean we can define it as well…. I could for over 40 years…… I just know the universe and me are created…, Lions fans are part of that too!!! 
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The problem is those stories were told decades or hundreds of years after he died. You ever play ‘telephone’?
and scientifically, eyewitness testimony is the worst testimony because the brain can see what it wants to see.
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sounds like a switch just didn’t register. I can’t imagine the amount of crap on that thing that has to function all the time.
I went to church school for many years and what I got out of it is some dude didn’t want you to steal his stuff, bang his wife, think about banging his wife, or kill him. And he knew you probably wouldn’t play along unless a little bit of fear was involved.
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witness statements are what they are. corroborating evidence and hearsay. Any courtroom would also need to see direct material evidence. Wittness statements aren’t empirical evidence. They aren’t by themselves proof of truth.
It’s not that it’s not valid. It’s simply not hard evidence. You believe because you choose to believe (faith) not because it’s empirical truth
If this we’re actually true, my butt wouldn’t be going to trail in November….
But you technically right…. And when you actually compare the four witness statements, time lines and cross reference them by other historical data…. You still can’t prove 100% that Jesus didn’t die, get resurrected, ascended and coming back, hence that faith thing…
I really wish hersay wasn’t enough for probable cause but I’m living proof that that’s all you need to destroy someone’s life for four years and at a cost of 100,000….
I know I jumped subjects but it’s ok to not be ok!! 
I identify as agnostic pantheist. Atheism comes off as presumptuous to me. The only honest answer is that we don’t know
oh sure, I’ve often said i’d gladly believe if there was proof, because I’d have to. there just isn’t any and there are enough issues with the stories to make any of them just mythology. heck most of the stories pre-jesus are copied from other older religions.
most ‘athiests’ were believers or church going. myself included.
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Agree from the perspective that we don’t know what created us….
But the starting point of trying to figure out the Big Bang always points to creation and a creator and then what is our purpose that we were created for?!
why does there have to be a purpose? hubris says we’re more important than we are in the grand scope of things. there was a time there was no humans, and things went round and round. there will be a time with no humans and things will go round and round. the only effect we have is on each other.
according to the bible especially the 10 commandments it seems that our purpose is to praise the one that made us.
Agree 100%…. For me too, only me, I have seen the “church” do a poor job at doing what the Bible actually says to do and more importantly who God is…. The whole Bible is filled with the majority of purple who profess to be followers doing it wrong…. My favorite saying is “don’t look at the finger pointing at the moon”
I can’t define God by people, since people fail when taught wrong, and even where I feel I am…. I still fail daily…. God always had patience and when he does correct us to bring us back to him (aka what we can call punishment) it’s cause He loves me and in all situations I’m the Bible he tells why he’s about to punish and then give us hope that I’m the end he will still be there for us…,
But, I also can’t ever! Make someone else believe…. I can only give you what I believe (my testimony) and anyone who wants to study, I’m to do my best to show them what the Bible says… not what I want it to say….
Good stuff overall brothet!!
Religion is designed for you to believe. Only good things happen to believers and terrible things happen to non-believers. For a guy like me, that’s a strong clue where it came from. Those kind of tactics were once far more compelling when nobody had a clue about anything.
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You are basically correct here and this is why so many struggle with it.
I was taught my whole life that I was in charge and all my failures and victories were mine… and even in my victories I was empty…,
Learning about God as the Bible shows was hard for me as I’m a servant and nothing more…. The more I read and study, the more I’m ok with this
He made everything- like it or not - he is the boss…. And my boss…. So I roll with it
But you are basically right
I don’t think hearsay is admissible in criminal trials. Sounds like you have a story though. Hope it turns out well for you
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OK, more cool stuff…
This is 100 percent incorrect brothet
Every disciple was beaten and killed
I’m seen war and death…. Improperly accused of false crimes and how many Christians have simply died because of their beliefs
Like the crusades…. People, regardless of your faith, suffer as it’s part of life…,
In fact the only two thing I do differently than a non believer is sin less and try to fight it and I’m ok with death as I believe I’m heaven…,
Buy the idea that “good things” only happen to us here in earth is not true…
I was referring to after death if that wasn’t clear.
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and a lot of this is why, if a god did exist, I couldn’t praise or worship it. IMO to praise or worship a god that does all this, along with the suffering of children with disease, etc means that the worshipper just wants to make sure they get into heaven. Sounds mean I know but it’s basically the wife that gets beaten all the time by her husband but ‘still loves him’.
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