Ah, why not?
There were arguments for 12 years that we should have moved on from Stafford because he wasn’t Brady or Rodgers. It’s a new era. Unless you have Mahomes or Allen, you might need to move on.
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Excellent!
So we have one source (Next Gen Stats) that says Goff was the 6th-rated passer “under pressure” w/an 87.4 rating. (And in the 3 games since, Goff has delivered an average overall rating of 110+.) Then we have stats from another source (The Edge), which exclude this last game, and have Goff rated at 50.7 under “pressure” - definitely low-end. Something’s WAAAAY off w/at least one of these. Impossible to say without knowing sources or clear definitions of “pressure.”
Broadly, both agree that Goff’s completion percentage under pressure is low - Next Gen says 51%, The Edge says 38%. Goff absolutely does deliberately throw the ball away under duress more often than most. He’ll chuck it out of bounds, at the receiver’s feet, etc… That helps account for the relatively low completion rate. Question is: what do we make of that? Is it a sign of his being “rattled” under pressure.
My answer is NO (you’re shocked! SHOCKED!). Far from being a sign that he’s “rattled,” I think it’s a sign that JG is making very good, unselfish decisions. He doesn’t try to be a “gunslinger” when the situation doesn’t call for it. But when it does, like on the 4th-down throw to Chark that threw the DPI, he’ll let fly. His 3rd-down passer rating of 105.4 and 4th-down rating of 111.7 speaks volumes in re his effectiveness on the most critical downs. We might say that he responds VERY well to the pressure associated with 3rd and 4th downs!
While some other QBs are making SportsCenter highlights with their “off-platform” throws under duress, Goff is leading the league is passer rating over the last 5 games and hasn’t thrown an INT in 8.
I’ll take Door #2 EVERY TIME, Monty!
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Yeah its crazy to ho back and think …months ago everyones concern was his leadership toughness etc…which was a little deserved…but i seen him and he is a changed man…i feel he is great for city and team…i feel he has a chance to write his own new story as a detroit great…weird for a 1 time bridge qb
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Interesting to note too that Brady and Goff are the two least sacked QBs and the ‘The Edge’ also had Brady graded low. Lower, in fact that Goff. Perhaps they assign a more negative grade to throwing the ball away rather than play hero ball
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Oh dear. Everybody knows Ole Tom’s rep for choking when the pressure’s on. Sad that Jared is keeping that company.
Hahaha.
Yeah, I’m genuinely curious about those very different sets of “pressure” stats.
Incidentally, found this page of stats splits at CBSSports. All kinds of splits. Some of you will find it interesting to check out - home vs. away, different surfaces, etc.
My favorite: Goff’s rating over the first 8 games was 91.8; over the second 8 games: 108.4. Course, that latter number would lead all QBs if it were over the entire year.
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This isn’t a big deal, but as someone who has been watching Goff closely since 2017, I don’t think he has grown that much.
He has gotten better at small things–reading NFL defenses, throwing the ball away instead of trying to make a play–but the abilities that led him to be one of the best qbs in 2018 are largely the same abilities that have led to this really good year.
Maybe some of the other posters who watched Goff with the Rams can chime in here about his growth and where he will improve.
I think we can also expect Goff to continue to get better at small things and (hopefully) move a little closer to a Peyton / Brady level of dissecting defenses and knowing where to go with the football.
Having healthy weapons next year will also be a tremendous help. Don’t forget how many snaps Kennedy and other below average WRs saw this year. One of the biggest problems Goff had with the Rams after 2018 is that teams just weren’t scared of the Rams weapons.
Having the option to dump a pass off to a talented guy like Swift or throw to a wide open speedster like Jamo is a BIG deal for a qb.
The numbers this offense could put up next year if Jamo can develop and stay healthy are really exciting.
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The Great Lakes Goffense.
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He led the league interceptions en route to a Super Bowl
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I agree. The oline was not great in his final year on the Rams. Nor was their running game (no long-ball wr either that year). McVay ran a really predictable offence that did not play to Jared’s strengths. Was hard to watch. I thought the other teams had cracked the McVay code (Stafford opened things up with his style of play; plus better players added).
So I’m with Cal: I was not surprised to see Jared play well again. And seems even more at home now, with the OC and the rest of the team. I’m just thrilled for him. Was hard to watch such a young and unassuming guy get trashed by the coach and media. That’s why I left the Rams and love the Lions. Just couldn’t support McVay anymore (although I was impressed by Stafford - great QB and class act).
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Yes the city has really grown on him and wants to win and win here. He is just a quiet guy but his teammates love him
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Yup → most of these “replace Goff” conversations get waaaayyy out of hand in both directions.
the “built a Goff statue” ppl
and the
“let’s get a real QB” ppl.
LOL. Both stances feel hyperbolic to me. I have absolutely triggered the “build a goff statue” crowd… and sometimes the other guys too.
Funny thing is, I feel like I’m one of the bigger supporters.
In my eyes, I feel like you would have to be damn near crazy to not see how much our staff has helped goff grow. For some reason, ppl want to give all of the credit to Goffster.
I dunno… I have a similar discussion with some of my best bu d dies on here, where my stance is wanting to give all the credit to Barry…while they do as well, they also acknowledge the OL more than I do… soooo… who friggin knows?
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But all that teaching and coaching does no good whatsoever if Goff doesn’t put it into practice - process it, internalize it, and improve from it. Not every QB is going to be capable of that, much less to the extent that Goff has accomplished it.
…which is exactly what I’ve said, if you read the entire conversation. LOL.
Scroll up a little further.
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In reality i feel its a combo of both coaching and goff. In reality being a coachable person is a great trait. I just feel the city has grown on him and he has grown with the city. Great too see
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100% - scroll up a little further. I completely agree w/this and have said it multiple times.
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Lol just seen notification bubble and replied to you haha should of read up further
The ‘build Goff a statue’ crowd. That’s a thing? I’ve said this many times but obviously in a tongue in cheek way. In context it’s usually something like
‘If Goff manages to win a playoff game this year Detroit should build him a statue’
But there’s also truth to this. When is the last time this city saw a playoff win?
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That’s too much work when I can just have an instant over reaction though. I’ll just take your word for it and assume we are on the same page
I HONESTLY think they will build a statue of Coach Dan, when this is all said and done, so I’m not judging. Ive seen a few ppl mention it about Goff (not just you).
I think our coaches are massively instrumental in Goff’s resurgence. I think he was very, very fortunate to come to this team.
Fans love him
Coaches love him
Teammates love him
City is embracing him
He’s got it reaaaaal good. Could not dream of a better scenario.
90s. LOL.
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Maggie, we’re TWINSIES!
I agree with absolutely everything you say here and in fact had the same path to Detroit Lions fandom. In every sport I follow I attach to personalities and human beings. And I’m a HUGE fan of Jared Goff’s (obviously) - talk about a class act, on and off the field. How he handled himself through all that grief in LA was extraordinary. I know that there’re far greater injustices in the world, but after closely watching him publicly and wrongly throw Goff under the bus, even as a once-upon-a-time longtime Rams fan I just couldn’t continue to root for a team led by Sean McVay.
And I do believe Jared Goff is a heckuva QB, well worth building around. It’s partly a measure of just how unassuming he is that so many people looked at his big success in LA for two years and mostly credited McVay - and now look at his success this year and mostly credit Johnson. There’re reasons he was selected #1 overall, amirite?! And I do think in Year 7 Goff is a better player, especially in re deciphering what he sees on the field and making good decisions with the ball, than he was and did in Years 2 and 3.
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