This shot is insane …
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You really think Goff is going to ignore a play call from his coach and go rogue? That’s the opposite of what Goff and this team is all about. In fact, they’ve fired coaches over that
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Doesn’t matter how many times from the very beginning that Brad said it the narrative wouldn’t change. It’s was always he was a stop gap and a throw in. Then Brad paid him.
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At this point, it could very well be the case that Jared ultimately has full decision making power based on what he’s seeing; at that point, the OC is making suggestions. This isn’t uncommon.
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I will give Mcvay a little credit in that he said he could have handled it better. But yea, was pretty shitty. Great trade for both teams and I would much rather have Goff now than Stafford. Matt’s week to week in camp and hasn’t even practiced yet. He’s gonna miss allot of games this year.
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They send him to the line with 3 plays, goff chooses based off the defense. But if you’re trying to sell me that the OC calls a play and Goff says, nope, I’m calling this play instead? Well I’m not buying that… Goff isn’t going to undermine his coaches, same way he wouldn’t do it to his teammates
That’s not going rogue. That’s dictating what needs to happen to be successful. Rogue would be if he didn’t say shit and then called the other play. If Goff did that I promise you that Morton would call what he wanted.
And forget the hypothetical verbiage. Perhaps it’s less in his face. He has an audible package. He can probably get to it at the line of scrimmage anyways. And I’ve seen several NFL films productions with star QBs doing precisely this though more diplomatically.
We need Goff to be our Alpha not John Freaking Morton.
I think he will go to the line with one play call and a cpl audibles depending on what the defense shows. Not rogue but it sounds like he will be doing more this year.
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Right. I came up with the most Toxic Alpha hypothetical which is unlikely to be JG’s style. And it may happen in the commercial break in a conversation between Goff and JM.
BUT if JG knows that we need to go to a particular play or look or whatever then he needs to tell JG in a way to make sure that’s what we do. He’s at that point as a leader of our team and as a star QB from the mental side. Seize the moment(s), Jared. Personally I’m confident that he will and we’ll be better for it.
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Please tell me that is from somewhere in Allen Park and not a room in the Goff’s house. Putting spank bank material of your wife on the wall at work is a hardcore flex.
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I think it was in Allen Park before they flew to Seattle.
And I hope it’s Jared’s private office, and he wasn’t using Ben’s, otherwise we need to have a different conversation.
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Are you kidding me? That would make it so much better if it was in a shared office. I’d like to think Jared casually tacked that hotness to the wall, looked right at Ben Johnson and said “You’re welcome” before leaving the room.
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That’s why I said… And that’s what’s happened over the last 2 seasons… I expect the same under Morton. As Jared said, it’s getting on the same page and letting Morton know what Goff likes and is comfortable with
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Semantics… Telling the OC you’re going to run the play you want and not what he calls is going rogue, whether or not he’s letting him know ahead of time.
I do agree I want Goff making the ultimate call as to what playbis getting ran based on the defense… Which has been the case for the last couple seasons already. My whole point is, I HOPE he can have the mind melt with Morton and they’re both thinking the same thing at the same time.
The offense had evolved into something much, much bigger than that. Jared was going to the line with 2+ plays. Going to the line with 2 plays is normal, which is why you hear the QB saying “kill, kill, kill,” or “can, can, can” so much. They go to the line with a playcall that is supposed to be ran with a specific look they are expecting, and then they kill or can it to get into the 2nd playcall.
After that is when the Lions offense gets interesting. Goff was tasked with going to the line with 3-4 playcalls at times. Sometimes Ben really wanted to get a trick play off, so he kept calling it over and over again in case he got the look. Amon-Ra called this “spamming the trick play call.” He said Ben didn’t shy away from calling the same trick play a dozen times in a row. But the offense wasn’t limited to the trick playcall and whatever the “kill” call was after that. The team still had 2 or 3 playcalls outside of that. Meaning we could be ready for a trick play coming, while also functioning as a high level offense at the same time. And of course, each playcall had its own set of built-in audibles that Goff could use.
Goff’s control went beyond having more plays available to attack the defense how he saw it. The offense also had a ton of adjustments to formations, shifts and adjustments built-in. So Goff could literally run the same play out of various formations. So even when the defense thought they had a read on the playcall based on the formation, Goff could “audible” to a different formation with the same playcall. And our guys were trained to be able to run the same playcalls out of various formations.
Its genius when all of the pieces of the puzzle are like the current Detroit Lions…led by a guy like Jared Goff. What we have here is essentially the same formula, so we can keep running the same advanced concepts with a different playcaller. What Ben is doing in Chicago is completely different. He literally has to “dumb down” his offense to its most basic concepts and build up from there. And I don’t mean that as a knock to the QB in Chicago. 2025 Ben Johnson would have to dumb down his offense for 2nd year Jared Goff. But that wasn’t the version of Goff that Ben got.
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Finally finished this.
By the end of the documentary, my wife—who barely gives a shit about football—hit pause during the Goff INT segment against Washington and said, “Let me get this straight. The NFL can review an illegal hit from New York to take him off the field and send him into a tent for ‘concussion protocol’, but they can’t call a penalty and revoke the touchdown? Make it make sense.”
And ladies and gentlemen, that’s how it’s done.
PS—She’s a huge Christen Goff fan now.
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Me too and not because of the reasons you probably think.
Somebody posted a video here (it may have been you Nate) the first time that the Goff chants started. Christen walked up to Goff and said “it’s always been Detroit”.
That sent shivers up my spine and endeared me to her in a way I didn’t think was possible.
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Yeah dude. That, and the fact she — like many of us — cried literal tears against Washington when it began to unravel. Can’t fake that shit. She’s invested.
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BJ was saying Goff had up to five plays to choose from depending on the D look. I’m not sure there would ever be a need to ‘go rogue’ with that much autonomy
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