Your making excuses for a winless season and at the first sign of someone criticizing the staff you call that take lazy?
Think about that for a second. Your always one of the more optimistic fans. I used to be like you too. But there’s no excuse for being winless and making poor choices.
Look it’s really simple. The proof is in the results.
I honestly don’t know how anyone can defend a coach on a zero win team.
Just because expectations were low it doesn’t mean we should accept poor choices, and game management mistakes. It doesn’t mean we should except a team that continues to lose close games.
You realize just how bad a team has to be to be winless by November?
The coach doesn’t get a free pass because expectations are low.
Did the Ravens need a 67 yard fg to beat the Lions at the end of regulation? Did Goff throw a pick in the final minutes of a single score game against the Rams? Did we not take the steelrs to OT and lose on the leg of our backup kicker who is no longer the team? Did we not just take the browns to the final minutes of the game 13-10? There is your competitive football. I really don’t see why this is such an issue. BQ and MP were trash and we all wanted them gone. They mismanaged the roster for 3 years and we bring in a first time young head coach who is a leader of men and a young young coaching staff full of potential. The defense is over-perfomring given its obvious short comings. Get some pass rush in here and we might actually have something on that side of the ball. You sit here and complain about Holmes and who he didn’t get but what about Jacobs and Parker who are playing very very well. What about Barnes and Sewell? This offense is limited MCDC takes over and our running game productions doubles and swift has back to back excellent games. If you are expecting more out of Boyles then your expectations need to be adjusted. If you are expecting Goff to perform at a high level given his limitations and the need for a full team around him, then again adjust your expectations. It is a rebuild. Not everything gets fixed over night. We need high picks to fix this. MCDC will be here for years. They gambled that they could resurrect Goff’s career, it looks like they have lost that bet. They didn’t do him any favors by not addressing WR and i said from day 1 that Tyrell Williams was a 3rd string Wr at best being put into a 1st string situation. This regime isn’t perfect and they have made mistakes but the are improving and this team will be better for it over time. You wanna blame coaching blame Lynn. He is more at fault then MCDC. MCDC is taking care of the Lynn issue by taking over playcalling and he kept it in house and didn’t embarress Lynn in the process. The issue has been there all season and people are just now picking up on it in the media. That’s leadership.
The team laid down on him vs Cincy and Philly. The last two home games were incredibly hard to watch. But the team rebounded. I give Dan credit for holding it together.
Hopefully he can pull off a win this week so the season isn’t a total embarrassment.
That’s why he should have called a more aggressive game. So the team can improve and keep defenses honest. Which gives us a better chance to win each week.
I’m not convinced of this. He has a lot of learning to do. He’s making a lot of mistakes as a HC.
Will he fail or succeed?..… who knows but I can say with certainty that if he doesn’t change his approach that he will fail as a HC.
In my opinion the outlook doesn’t look very promising.
And you are not anymore. Air i have a tremendous amount of respect for you. But it is clear that your not optimistic about this team. I am though. It is a known fact that I haven’t been around much. In my time away I have made more Lions connections, some even insider connections, and people in the building LOVE MCDC. He has the full support of the Detroit Lions and the vision they have as an organization. The man isn’t going anywhere. I can defend him till I am blue in the face. And yes 3-14 run was not the best of moves…but did anyone really expect Boyle to complete that pass? Did you not see the picks he threw? I am telling you…swift IS the offense. I can defend him if I believe this roster at the most important positions is SHIT and I want the first overall pick more then anything that happens this year…BIG WHOOP we won 5 games and miss out on an all world talent. We are rebuilding. It is very easy to defend him. If every game was like philly and cincy then no, there is no defense…but that isn’t the case. Mark my words. The Detroit Lions will be winners with Dan Campbell. They will win playoff games. The Detroit Lions will change their history with Dan Campbell. I am fine eating crow on this if I am wrong. But if I am wrong then we are all doomed to more Detroit lions suckiness.
Are we to assume that trying to win is tucking your tail?
LIONS analytics = Swift is a statistically better option for gaining 15 yards than Boyle’s arm.
Best available without a huge cap hit. Situational awareness. I don’t think anyone on this board would agree that “win now” approach is the way to go with this.
You have WAY more football knowledge than me. Not gonna pretend otherwise. This feels like a non-football/football conversation.
I can relate to this, for sure. LOL.
I said that, because your response and languaging feels emotionally charged. That’s the problem with text.
Agreed → This year
…and → Next year (they will be different chapters of the same story).
Truthfully, I think we’ll win more next year than we otherwise would have because of ease of schedule. I don’t feel we’ll have a true depiction of what’s here for 2 more years?
I get the pissed-offedness that’s showing up on the board. I am always the last one to lose faith in a staff, and I’m aware of that too. LOL
Your one of my favorite posters but I feel your missing what I’m saying.
What your doing is making excuses for a winless season. There’s just no excuse to be winless. None.
Your saying it’s ok because expectations are low. I’m saying that just because expectations are low it doesn’t excuse mistakes by the HC, GM and staff in general. DC has made a ton of mistakes. Even you admit this.::: see below.
But I disagree in the improving dept. We are a winless team and can’t seem to close out games. Show me a couple wins and I’ll agree that we’re improving. But I see a team that’s worse than last years team and is winless.
About the better over time comment at the end of the quote.
In order to get better over time you have to try. What I am saying is in order to get better over time they need to be throwing on 3rd and long. They need to be converting on 3rd down. The Lions are one of the worst teams in the NFL at converting on 3rd down. The Lions need to take shots down field. Failing to do so puts them at a huge disadvantage.
Right - SO important. I think they’re doing the best they can w/the “talent” they currently have, and they acquired their guys with the intent of future building, almost disregarding winning this year. Truth might be in middle, but I feel they lean heavy this way, if not completely.
LOTS of the guys agree w/you
Truth here. How much will he defer to the OC, when we get one?
What type of OC do we get? How good are they at their job?
Lots TBD. IMO, Dan is just a leader of humans. He needs football guys to help him. I would have passed on that play too, man. I was not disappointed that he didn’t. I think this year is all about growth, development of talent, seeing who gets cut next year, etc. We’ll have 50% roster turnover. it’s gonna be totally different, next year.
Well, @Air2theThrown because of the respect that I have for you I won’t keep pushing the issue like I am known to do around here. I am not trying to go at you and my “lazy take” comment historically is given to those who truly do have a lazy take here and I am trying to be antagonistic, I shouldn’t have used it here. I just don’t see the glaring mistakes that you see, and yes I am saying the regime isn’t perfect, but that is coming more from the prospect that no one is perfect and I am honestly good with the progress thus far. I mean, we just traded Mathew Frickon Stafford and replaced him with crapola Goff…was not expecting much. Anyways, Happy Thanksgiving brother, I hope you are good.
@Air2theThrown and for the record on of my buddies is a NFL scout and happens to also be a diehard lions fan and we are both in a chat that is a mix of NFL media people, fans and the like and he “fundamentally disagrees with a play being run on 3rd and 14 that has a 10% chance of working” and when they ran it in the game I was in the stands going “what the fuck was that?”. Same respond I also had when Boyle threw the ball most times too.
I asked this in another thread what I’m about to ask here
First the set-up:
Lynn has been a successful OC in the league for years. He coached Herbert last year with success. He’s always leaned towards the run game but he’s never been shy about taking shots.
I think Lynns lean towards the run game is why Dan hired him. Dan wants a smash mouth style of football team. That’s why he went trenches via the draft over skill positions.
Why is Lynn the scape goat for the Lions failure on offense?
Ask yourself this….
Both Boyle and Goff can’t seem to complete the deep pass. Why?
With DC calling the plays over Lynn did our passing game improve? No it got worse because we leaned even harder on the run game. We converted fewer 3rd downs as a result.
Honestly I think Dan just wants to play smash mouth 70’s style football. It all falls on Dan.
I don’t think Lynn was the problem.
So to answer your question on what type of OC we will get? We will probably hire an ex RB to be our OC. Someone like Duce Staley.
I have no idea, I haven’t asked him about it.
Hoping…
Someone who is good at X’s and O’s, who can inspire and and teach. I feel like the reasons the last guy were in the dog house is because he wasn’t liked. Not an energetic match for what we had going on.
I am not a mind reader, and won’t pretend to know. I also won’t pretend that someone other than Holmes and Campbell know…cuz they don’t.
Context is important. You should quote the entire statement so that it’s clear what point I was making.
Here is what I actually said.
I firmly believe this. Some fans act like this roster isn’t good enough to win a single game. They make excuses for coaching mistakes based of this perceived notion. We’ve had plenty of close games that we could have been won with better coaching and game management.
If you have something to add or wish to debate this than say so but to misquote someone and just leave an ummm isn’t really adding much to the conversation.
Do you disagree that this team is good enough to win 4-5 games with better coaching?
Do you disagree that with some better roster moves by Holmes this team could be competitive?
There’s a fine line between a 5-12 team, and a team that’s actually competitive.
If he turns it around next year then he deserves credit for that. If he puts up another crappy season and can’t win a game by Thanksgiving than he deserves the heat too.
He doesn’t deserve to coach this team unless he gets a good offensive play caller,could be young up coming coach for offense coordinator but someone with a offensive mind. Head coach is fine for Campbell but oversee the whole team not just one part.
