He was a 4th round pick, how much of a sleeper does that make him at a position that often isnt drafted until the second round anyway?
30 rec for 245 yards and 4 tds… was playing well but not sure i can compare him and brock wright given the seahawks spent a decent pick on barner and we dont send wright on a lot of pass routes.
Wright signed a 3 yr 12M contract.
James Mitchell was a 5th
Barner also had about 3x the targets, and if you recall wright had 216 yards on 24 targets/18 receptions with 4 tds in his second year as an undrafted free agent.
We also expected a lot more out of mitchell because he was drafted in the 5th round.
Not sure i get your sleeper point… i agree that he has played well, barner that is, but he also has gotten significantly more opportunity and had higher expectations than wright had.
I get that we extended wright but that doesnt support any conversation about barner being a sleeper man.
Edit* To add… numerous tight ends are/have been drafted in the third round or later…
Graham
Kelce
Andrews
Kittle
Likely
Etc
I dont think a 4th being spent on a TE should be viewed as a sleeper pick… just my opinion, especially when you use that to trash wright when he had a similar season as an undrafted guy in his second year here
I’m not sure what you gotta do to get a 100 score on PFF but Gibbs at 82.3 is like 20 points under getting an A. 
Also our usually reliable Sewell looked like he was whiffing and getting beat a lot, at least in that first half, which is why he’s probably grading out about where Decker is!
That said, if Gibbs is 82.3 and Decker is only 10 pts under that at 71.0, I have no idea how PFF’s grading scale works!?
A PFF grade of 50 is average, basically a C in school, 70%… A grade of 82 is 32 points ahead of a C (70+32=102) … Basically an A+
Kerby Joseph’s season grade is 91… A++ 
I also netflix was great. Something is off with PFF.
So what you’re saying is that combined with @TNutZz PFF scale image, getting a score of 100 would be like Spinal Tap turning the amp up to 12?
That must be mega spinal tap… I’ve only seen them turn it up to 11
I think he absolutely smoked this game. The worse play I saw from him was the INT to Jamo insofar as it probably shouldn’t have been thrown at all. But, as I’ve said umpteen times, Jamo has to learn to (try to) bail out his QB. The dude seems to have ZERO clue that he’s supposed to prevent a defender from catching that ball if he can’t.
First INT was fluky - but also a tougher throw that it first looked. Reynolds whiffed on the block but didn’t, maybe didn’t have time, to create some space from the defender so Jared could get it out to him.
But to connect on 82% of his throws in the face - sometimes literally - of the pressure the Vikings brought - I thought that was some of his best football all year, especially accounting for the magnitude of the game. He and Darnold were polar opposites in that regard.
In fairness, they look at every single play. Most fans, including me, typically notice line play when something dramatic happens - a massive hole is open, a QB is sacked, etc. Decker played 68 snaps; I noticed him specifically on maybe 4. Probably true for you too.
Great post. I guess it’s kind of ironic that Goff, who has for so many years been subjected to criticism of his performance while under pressure - this past game, almost all of our high profile games, and in last year‘s playoffs, has played absolutely lights out
dude is unflappable. Our loss last year against the Niners was not on him. He’s capable of delivering us a Super Bowl.
Love the Lion’s fans, love this forum. However every single time I find the slamming of PFF objectively funny, we got people in here acting like they’re actually watching the film and rewinding every play 11 times to watch every Lion’s player on each play. Let’s be honest we’re fans for a reason, kudos to any fans that are actually doing this if they are though
For the most part I would take person’s opinion from India over a fans, IF said person from India did in fact watch the film. Watching film and watching a game as a fan are two polar opposite things
PFF has its value. It’s a nice data point. But it’s not omniscient
I enjoy the scores and see them as a kind of weather vane. But take them with a big salt lick. It’s also funny to make fun of them regardless
Yup. I think the pressure stuff was always overstated. Almost always the people making that claim - and citing stats; most of them are just going off their impressions - do it w/reference to the gap between his “clean pocket” and “under pressure” passer ratings. And for him that gap was def bigger than most.
The problem is that comparison penalized him for being REALLY good from a clean pocket. So, of course, the gap was bigger than for QBs who weren’t so good from clean pockets.
But, yeah, he’s absolute nails under pressure now - AND from a clean pocket.
Goff is in his 9th season and has just hit his prime. For comparison, Stafford was in his 13th season when he won the SB w/the Rams. W/any luck, Jared’s got a LOT of great football ahead of him, @TNutZz!
I think maybe a bridge between the two camps would be dividing “pressure” into two types:
Pressure with answers.
Pressure without answers.
I’ve tried to dispute the “bad under pressure” argument a time or two, citing games/throws where there’s calamity all around him, but I don’t think the point ever connects. There were a couple of highlight throws this past game where Goff clearly sees he’s getting smashed by making the throw, but does it anyway.
When their gameplan understands where the pressure is coming from and he checks into the right play (another unnoticed part of good QB’ing), he’s making good, accurate throws. When he’s completely befuddled by the defense or apprehensive or confused, the pressure undoes him like it would any QB.
Yeah I know it’s 11 that’s why i said 12
