Strange hill to die on.
i know you focus on exact words but when you look at who he proposed trading for the Skubal, I don’t know how you take it seriously. If you think that is an opening offer to start negotiations for the reigning Cy Young and likely 2025 Cy Young winner, it isn’t.
It’s an insult to Skubal and the Tigers.
But carry on defending it.
I will say that the post, and tweet in it, definitely is the winner in the thread to this point.
It’s not a hill to live or die on. I just don’t roll with the typical cliche’s like click bait and trolling like most around here do. This tweet is no different than Dianna Russini saying the Lions are making calls about a DE when Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell have said, repeatedly, that “We’re good”. Detroit vs Everybody called a troll post…I just simply don’t see it as a troll post. It may not be true or accurate, but that doesn’t mean its trolling.
It’s very different.
He makes a very specific trade offer with players named and players that are not worthy of an opening offer.
So fine, it’s not a troll post, it’s worse, it’s plain stupidity i n a post. But i can see it being a troll post to generate responses and more, is he monetizing his tweets?
Russini says Lions are making calls on DE’s
Yea, there is a difference.
But Dianna contradicts what Brad and Dan have said when asked that question about that position. & remember the key word is REPORT. I mean can we prove that the Mets haven’t done this?? There are other reports that name players like Jonah Tong, Brandon Sproat and Jett Williams. Is that trolling too? BTW…I know none of these players or where they are ranked
She titles the article “what I’m hearing” which for me is a rumor article.
But, I’ll bow out just keep up the fight, don’t ever give up. Words matter even in stupid tweets.
Big Bro, much respect, but this is not a fight. I am not sure what the difference is between “REPORT” or “What I am hearing”…I mean too me its the same but working in this business, even though I’m just a truck engineer, I have learned that in the sports world you are always gonna hear things and there will always be report(s). Most will not amount to anything, some may materialize but that is the nature of that beast…I guess. But I think fans reactions to these things are based on if the fan likes it or not, then it becomes either legit or clickbait/trolling. Like I am hearing that Penn State wants to go after Marcus Freeman. I cringed hearing that and of course I don’t want to believe it or for it to be true. But that doesn’t mean those who are reporting it are trolling me and other Notre Dame fans. It doesn’t mean its clickbait… 
@frm710 …ok as I said I didn’t know any of those players and I did follow thru and checked them out. The players from Gooden’s tweet, I don’t think I’d like that. Now the next thing I posted, which are the prospects still in the minors Tong, Jett Williams & Sproat, maybe??
The problem is the contract. He’s expected to be looking at something like 10/400m. He’ll be 29 in November. So even in the reasonable best case scenario the last half of that contract is going to blow. And then in the worst case scenarios his health fails him before then. And how many teams can actually commit that to a pitcher?
I think the Mets are the prime suitor but I think New York knows that. So it’s an interesting situation from a leverage perspective.
That post was like us trying to trade Akil Baddoo and Tommy Kahnle for Juan Soto
https://x.com/brwalkoff/status/1978966095169008020?s=46
Wait, what?
Did the Tigers put forth a ridiculous offer or is Boras pushing for like 550-600m?
Oh I get it now…it’s like trading for Charlie Morton all over again. But as ridiculous as that would be I don’t see it as trolling. I just see it as ridiculous 
At age 29… it would be crazy if he gets over $250 million.
I don’t really care about the term… but $250 million over 5 years is insane for a pitcher… and that takes him to age 34.
If it were $250 million over 6 years… still very rich for a pitcher…
and takes him through age 35.
$250 million over 7 years is $35.7 million AAV… and goes through age 36 season.
I have no appetite for monster pitcher contracts. I’ve been pretty transparent and likely annoyingly repetitive with that stance.
Gerrit Cole signed a 9 year, $324,000,000 contract with the New York Yankees, including $324,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $36,000,000.
Skubal and his agent will not sign for anything less 350 million. That Cole deal was 6 years ago. Cole was 29 years old at the time. 400 mill very much in play on the free agent market
There is big risk no doubt with pitchers. But someone will pay it
Last offseason Kyle Tucker at age 25 with 1 year of control remaining was traded for the Cubs #1 prospect ( Cam Smith), a power bat 3b who just made the AS game (Isaac Paredes) and a mid rotation upside 1 year away pitching prospect ect Hayden Wesneski.
Tucker isn’t the player Skubal is, but he is a top 20ish offensive player.
Contract and age adjust the calculus a bit, but even as a 1 yr rental, Skub should be getting a team’s #1 or 2 prospect, a top 6 lineup hitter and another piece expected to make the team in short notice. At the very very least.
As a “sign and trade” type deal where he goes somewhere that will drop a cash nuke on him, then the price is much much higher.
You’re almost certainly correct.
However… that contract should be the EXACT reason nobody does it again.
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Zero MLB pitchers have thrown over 230 innings in 10 years!!!
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As we know… Cole certainly shouldn’t give many teams good vibes about hoping a 30+ yo pitcher will stay healthy.
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I don’t think the long term calculus is the same for a pitcher as opposed to a star outfielder. As a Giants fan I’d be more open to the idea of being tied to Tucker than Skubal for obvious reasons. Skubal is great but that can and usually does change quickly in the world of pitching.
Tucker has been pretty unhealthy for a 20-25 year old. Can cut either way and Tucker isn’t a top 15 hitter. Skub is a top 2 pitcher. His mechanics are awfully clean. Also….he’s a lefty. They develop later and stick around longer.
LHSP with B2B Cy Young awards-
Unit
Koufax
Kershaw
and if there was a Cy award in the 30s, Lefty Grove woulda done it, maybe more than once. The 30s were the like the post-strike Steroid Era, offensively, and Grove was putting up an average 9.3 WAR/year for 8 straight years. Yikes.
That’s the list. And now probably Skub.
The Tigers should get a King’s ransom. Otherwise, go all in for 26 with a big bat or two and see if they can tilt thr odds their way in FA.
