I think if there was a pass-rushing DE like Chase Young at our pick last year, we would have taken him.
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Look at the stats when MP was in NE, that tells a different story.
Flowers was never a big pass rush guy, 7.5 sacks I think is his best.
What he is, is a good all around guy, sets a good edge and knew the system. I like him, but at $93 mill, he was severely overpaid for what he brings.
Julian I think most knew wasn’t the answer, he was brought in as a 3rd down specialist. He’s no Cam Jordan, EG, Clowney, Watt or any number of every down DEs, he’s not even Flowers. Our DTs same thing, don’t collapse the pocket get little push, and that’s what they wanted.
If pass rush was important, they would have addressed it. Instead we sat on $28 mill with pass rushers available in FAgency. Many of us pointed out how bad the Dline was, yet again after the draft.
I think many of us knew this D was dead in the water before the season started. Including saying if this is the D the go with they deserve the firing when it comes, and it will, and did. QBs picked us apart yr 1 with this scheme and yr 1 was the best pressure they got out of the 3 yrs.
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There was talk that if chase was there he we wouldn’t take him because we don’t really utilize the pass rush. And everything was different in new England not one piece of Patricia defense that even resembled a new England defense.
I agree, and hoped we’d get lucky. When we didn’t I was all in on Brown or Kinlaw. Though I wouldn’t have been surprised in the least if they took Okudah anyways.
Flowers wasn’t a big sack guy but got lots of QB pressures to flush the QB.
Flush them to whom? With Flowers we got little pressure, EG in 2 games had caught him. This scheme was never about pressure. It was about the secondary. Pressure was helpful but was supposed to be due to coverage.
Remember many were stoked because we would get coverage sacks, and that was gonna prove secondary more important than Dline.
I don’t think this is accurate. The conversations have been many about how MP’s scheme focused on big lumbering RUN Stopping ends. Flowers was not brought in to improve the pass rush (sacks from him) but rather to improve the overall defense. The guy’s career high in sacks was 7 before he came to Detroit and that hasn’t changed. People expected 12-13 sacks from him and were clearly disappointed. MP wanted big DL that held up the OL and “did their jobs” and allowed second and third level pressure on occasion. Think EG was an act of a desperate regime who knew their defense sucked and they needed anything that could maybe help them squeeze out wins. Look those 6 games in the middle of the season were winnable. Good teams win those games. The regime probably didn’t account for the team giving up and losing to Carolina and Houston.
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I have heard from folks here that you keep and pay your homegrown players. So Okwara gets 18M per right? Because other NFL FA’s are watching how you treat your own or something…
Whst id like to see is
If it’s too much for Lions we’re happy , Lions are happy the player is worth thst much
Vs going with the tired refrain of the guy was never that good and is being over paid eksewhere which doesn’t ding the player but celebrates their opportunity ( as a culture to lions thsts good )
So thst if not paying Okwara they don’t sign a similar big v type for big money while letting home grown talent go
So if Golladsy or Okwara st worth $18mil on the market that’s a good thing reflecting on lions who gave them platform to be worth thst much
While Lions also invest in their home grown talent without pinching pennies sense there’s value in players having roots on team and in community , connection to fans and passing along “culture”
Speaking of a home team discount
- msn if Dahl hasn’t been among the lions most under paid regular contributors. Doing whatever they ask and being available to do it.
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The regime also didn’t account for it’s compete inability to motivate and properly utilize talent lol
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3/30 with 25 guaranteed, 12m SB, play around with the rest tonhelp the cap.
I’d like to see Romeo back. He’s great at setting the edge and rushing the QB.
Has the Oline pass protection improved throughout the NFL? Normally, around this time, we’re seeing players close to 20 sacks for the season.
So would I. The price has to be fair, but you don’t want to let a good pass rusher go elsewhere.
Again, you guys are talking about something different than what TCmouse was saying. Mouse was saying,
Like somehow we don’t “emphasize” a pass-rush…and that’s just not correct. We just don’t have the players to get after the QB.
If you remember, MP was supposed to be some kind of defensive guru that somehow made great defenses with lesser players. And if you remember back to the old board, a lot of us talked about how NE would send LB’s to create pressure, often times dropping DE’s and DT’s back into coverage. Trying to create pressure from confusion, that scheme “emphasizes” getting after the QB…and they did it with 16 different players in New England and I think we’ve done it with just 9 different players despite bringing-in a bunch of guys due to injuries.
Again, it’s not that our scheme doesn’t want to get heat on the QB, it’s just that we don’t have the guys to win battles. Davis was able to do it last year, not this year. Had Tavai somehow shown that he can rush the passer, we wouldn’t be saying that our best effort at creating a pass-rush was bringing in Griffen. Tavai had 16.5 sacks in college.
Maybe it was arrogance on MP and BQ’s part to think they would be able to get after the QB with the players we had…or the players weren’t there when we drafted, idk. But the defense was still trying to get after the QB, they just couldn’t get there.
I get what you’re saying in NE, but I hated his D in NE. They allowed teams up and down the field. It was why I wanted nothing to do with him becoming our HC.
They get here and say you build from the ball out, and they prioritized the secondary. They completely revamped the LBers, with big and slow in FAgency and the draft. The Dline again big and slow.
If they would have addressed Dline to get pressure I’d agree, if they would have invested in LBers with speed I’d agree, if they were a blitzing D I’d agree, but we didn’t do any of that and
frequentlyy only rushed 3. We went big, slow, and unathletic in the front 7, and everyone of them were hand picked by Quintricia. We have been at the bottom of the league in pressure for 3 yrs, and we had plenty of picks and plenty of cash.
It drove me nuts, play man, put your CBs on an island and not bring pressure over and over again.
I will concede injuries sure didn’t help. It’s possible that changed how they decided to scheme the D. However, it looked like the same garbage we’ve seen the last 3 yrs.
I know in NE they were slightly more aggressive, but I think at this point BB probably was the reason why.