Well we don’t know what the threshold is. I would hope it would be lower than that. It does seem that OL play is a critical component for unleashing good Goff.
That’s true for most QBs… Mahomes had a much harder time with a wrecked OL in the Super Bowl.
I’m not sure why people think putting a decent cast around Goff is unreasonably difficult, but hitting the lottery and having the fourth-rated QB in this draft turn out to be a superstar will just magically happen.
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Yeah. But not every QB can play at a top 7 level league wide when provided with good OL play.
don’t quit on the board, your a very interactive poster and welcome here…your a cool addition, but here you just got to know everybody isn’t going to agree with everything you say…know what? HEY "to each their own. But I’ll tell you, there are some very good people here JD.
they are quite NLF, Football, and Die-Hard Lion Knowledgeable people to and they see something “off” with one of your posts , of course they are going to question you about it…never nothing personal , they want pure facts and no time-wasting BS is all…It’s no different coming from me —and I’ve been here, since VERY early 2000’s . It’s ok to take 5 and go do what you need to adjust and clear your mind or find news or something; but don’t quit the board . usually somebody new says “me.” I’m like paying no attention to it , it’s fly shit ya know. "But I like you as a poster, and sometimes like fresh faces, so hope you stick around…like us LONG TIMERS lol.
Decent cast? The rams team that went to the Superbowl was loaded. Gurley was on a HOF trajectory before his injury. He had the best O-line in football, 3 good wrs, a good TE and a great defense with Donald, Suh, brockers, talib, peters, Littleton, etc. That is a tall order.
To be honest… trent dilfer would have had success on that team. If we have to build a team that good for goff to produce… then well… that’s why Mcvay got rid of him for stafford. He’s a bridge QB. Take a young guy and develop him while we have the time.
I have no problem with someone disagreeing with something I say. But I don’t care to entertain someone who uses condescending tones. Call it petty if you want, but I don’t put up with people who laugh at, shake their head, while talking in person. So I’m sure as heck not gonna interact with someone I don’t know on a message board. It’s meant to make someone feel stupid. It’s cool, I just choose not to continue to interact with such people.
I try to discuss with respect. And laughing might be my biggest pet peeve. It’s such a “arrogant/your stupid” type of action when talking imo. And I just can’t stand it 
Practice what you preach.
Explain…you came at me like I’m a complete moron who doesn’t understand that guys don’t end up being 1-250 based on where they were picked. So please explain what I did wrong
It may drive you nuts, but they are good people , they might bust yer balls and rattle yer chain a little…usually that means they like you and want to see how you respond…it’s cool.
shit I must have wanted to quit and walk away from here 15 times over, but I’m Lionized old fart now and can’t live without this place each day.
You will complain about people because they “lol” and that’s condescending and your a moron (not my intention at all btw) but you have no problem saying DUH to someone? It’s a message board bro, I like coming to “argue” because it just makes me think about things from a different perspective. We don’t have to agree to be civil with each other.
What do you mean then when you LOL someone’s point?
Because it’s funny to me that people try to tear down Fields based on nothing he’s done on the field. Yes he went to OSU, YES he maybe the 5th QB drafted, NO that doesn’t make him any less of the prospect that he is. I think what he has done on the field up to this point deserves some credit, and I agree with you about Goff. He deserves a legit shot.
I apologize. That makes sense. It’s not that I don’t see potential in Fields. I’m just not a fan of him, or taking a QB in this draft
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Eeeesh. I wouldn’t exactly call this “proof” of where the fans are with him. A handful of guys that don’t even agree with each other.
laugh out loud -at someone’s point…
Preach!
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No worries homie, I look forward to discussing all things Lions with you. This board can lean both ways with posters who think the lions can do no wrong and others who think they can do no right. I just try to be real.
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For reference… here was the original post that got this thought going…
I had saw @wesleysh21 commented on this post and thought of an article I read… but forgot to get back to this thread. Here is an excerpt from an article on ESPN that cites some team sources and gives a little insight into McVay’s thinking on Goff towards the end of 2020 season. No direct quotes… but mentions “team source” for the info.
Goff underwent surgery the following day and had three screws inserted in anticipation of recovering quickly enough for a playoff run.
In the meantime, McVay had the opportunity to make the change at quarterback, starting undrafted free agent John Wolford in Week 17. Some in the organization were convinced McVay wanted to do it earlier but didn’t because of Goff’s contract.
“He didn’t have the balls to sit Jared,” a team source said.
Wolford, who hadn’t played in a regular-season game since joining the Rams in 2019, would make his first NFL start in a must-win home game against the Cardinals to earn a playoff bid.
“The worst thing for Jared,” a team source said, “is that [McVay] got a taste of John Wolford.”
With a hired nutritionist, throwing coach and personal trainer outside of the Rams’ facility, Goff put in the work required of most starting NFL quarterbacks. But when compared to Wolford, whom some refer to as Baby Brees, it fell short.
Wolford arrived early during the week for practices – 6:30 a.m. – and stayed late, even when he was on the practice squad. “Just a different animal,” a league source said.
“He’s addicted like McVay,” a team source said.
The energy around the practice facility shifted when Wolford took over.
“It was just kind of an opportunity for John to breathe some life into the offense with his athleticism, intelligence,” a team source said.
Some players were excited about Wolford starting – not necessarily because they didn’t like Goff, but because they thought the mobile Wolford provided a spark.
Wolford overcame an interception on his first pass to throw for 231 yards in a 18-7 win over Arizona while rushing for a team-leading 56 yards.
With a wild-card playoff in Seattle up next, McVay decided early in the week Wolford would start, despite having yet to see Goff’s post-surgery recovery progress. Goff insisted he would be ready to play, but McVay’s decision was final, explaining a game plan would need to be installed to prepare Wolford.
“Functionality was going to be an issue with the thumb,” a team source said. “But I think it was probably that combination of, ‘Holy cow, we just saw John play, we got in rhythm, we kind of had a new game plan.’”
“The Arizona-Seattle weeks, those were our best weeks of practices,” another team source said. “The confidence of the team was high.”
Goff, 12 days removed from thumb surgery, was the only active backup against the Seahawks in the wild-card contest, a game-day decision that left some players confused about Goff’s availability should Wolford need to come out.
With 5:40 remaining in the first quarter, Wolford suffered a neck injury, and Goff was inserted. He proved – despite limited opportunity to practice the game plan throughout the week – he could lead the Rams to another playoff victory, closing out a 30-20 upset at Lumen Field.
Despite Goff’s improbable effort versus the Seahawks, questions again began brewing about who would start ahead of a divisional playoff at Green Bay.
Wolford ended up being ruled out late in the week because of the injury, but he did travel to Wisconsin; Goff would start.
However, if it were not for Wolford’s injury, several sources said McVay would have started him against the Packers.
When asked if Wolford would have started if he were available, McVay avoided answering the question.
“[McVay] was totally all-in 100 percent on starting Wolford over Goff,” a league source said.
“When we found out John couldn’t go,” a team source said, “we felt defeated.”
The desire for Wolford wasn’t unanimous, as Goff retained some supporters in the locker room.
“Jared was our starting quarterback,” another team source said.
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