Pretty sure at one of the MCDC pressers he said he wants to keep the shove
No vote yet, tabled to next meetings.
edit in post, see Boyd posted this above as well.
Spotting the ball at the 35 for all touchbacks? Horse shit, really. Ridiculous. Let’s just shrink the stinking field and play arena ball.
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Did they move it? Maybe more returns. The 30 was not working
Good… I can’t imagine teams just kicking through the endzone if it goes to the 35. You better have one darn good defense if you are doing that. The offense only needs like 25 yards to be in field goal range. That is nuts.
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I with you on that one…I was thinking “Ass Mash”
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The story has a limk to the Washington Post… which is almost entirely behind pay wall. It did show the main premise….
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It’s believed that the Packers’ proposal was “narrowly configured and written,” aiming too directly at the Eagles (and Bills, who have also frequently utilized the play). It attempted to prohibit “an offensive player from pushing a teammate who was lined up directly behind the snapper and receives the snap, immediately at the snap,” making the action worthy of a 10-yard penalty.
The new version of the proposal is currently unwritten, as it has not yet formally been modified, but it will move its focus towards pushing or pulling ball carriers anywhere on the field. While no injury data has really shown any direct harm from the play, NFL health and safety officials have repeatedly expressed injury-related concerns about it. This would potentially act as a reversal of a rule-change in 2006 that made it legal to push or pull players as part of a football play
That’s just spin.
The league always uses “health concerns” whenever they want to do something, which we all know is utter bullshit cause they keep adding more games and making players play on less rest, etc… If it helps their public image, then they care about health concerns. If it helps them push through a rule they want, then they care about health concerns. If people are getting hurt but nobody’s really complaining about it, then they DON’T care about health concerns.
The way I hear it, at the last meeting the coaching staffs were all present and strongly against this rule. Now it’s just the owners at the meeting, and they really want it to happen and won’t face opposition from the coaching staffs so they can just push it through with a little spin.
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THIS……and I would add the international games are a pain in the ass too. It may work for pre-season games or even the pro-bowl. I don’t like regular season games overseas
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Nailed it. They care about $$$. Player safety is simply a card they play to pretend to care. Gives them some good PR. And almost all of the new rules increase points being scored…which again is good for ratings and money.
Roger Goodell doesn’t make $64 million a year for caring about player safety or for doing legal work that any honest attorney could perform.
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ban it-don’t, who cares?
Look, I’m under no disillusion that player safety is the League’s top concern.
However, this thought process is also not fair or logical. Playing football, especially at the highest level, is inherently risky. There’s always going to be a balance of risk and reward - including financial reward - that is weighed by both league and the NFLPA.
Both of those entities can be interested in eliminating unnecessary risks while also wanting to maximize the financial rewards for their constituents. Those concepts aren’t mutually exclusive.
When it comes to the tush push (or pushing / pulling in general), I think a cogent argument can be made that the additional risk is unnecessary. The play doesn’t really add anything to the entertainment value of the game; in fact, I would say it takes away from the drama. So why not eliminate it, even if the additional risk it adds is minimal or hard to quantify?
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I 100% agree that this CAN be true.
I just don’t believe it is. I don’t think it’s what the league does. Well, they want to protect the QB at all costs, but it’s not because they genuinely care about his health, they care about the money lost when he goes down.
A cogent argument can be made, but what do the numbers say? I don’t have them in front of me, but it was said during the league meetings back in March that they weren’t significantly different. Like you said, the sport is inherently violent… so is a tush push any more dangerous than a short yardage run by a RB up the gut? The scrums look mighty similar.
I would also add that while the tush push itself might not add entertainment value, pushing a ball-carrier from behind had many times led to highly entertaining plays. You know the ones, where the back gets held up at the 5 and the whole team pushes him into the end zone. People love that stuff, and we’ve benefitted from it many times. Sewell is an animal in that situation.
So, will the league just ban it when it’s a QB, or will pushing from behind be banned everywhere? I wonder.
Mostly I find it disdainful that a team has become so talented at a completely legal play - with players uniquely suited to it - that everyone wants to simply change the rules rather than get better at stopping it (or getting better at the tush push themselves). What if some team finds a 7’5 guy with a 40 inch vert and they just toss it to him at the goal line every time? Do you make that play illegal? That player? Where do you draw that line?
I hate watching the “tush push” play… and really haven’t liked the change since offensive players have been allowed to push ball carriers forward.
I don’t want to watch rugby scrums… and I think the NFL already has given the offenses enough advantages with the changes to pass defense rules.
I find it far more interesting to see an offense have to execute a true run play in short yardage situations… with the possibility of a great read by a LB shooting the gap for the tackle.
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I hate the play mainly because it looks like a false start every time I watch it. Have never liked it.
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I actually think that play could work for the Lions because you need players who excel at gimmicks and the Lions have a few O-Linemen that can execute a gimmick play such as the tush-push
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I agree 100% with this. I know we have Sewell, who has helped gain significant yards by pushing/pulling a ball carrier, but I just don’t think it should be allowed. I remember when it didn’t used to be and the first time I saw it, I was shocked that there was no penalty.
I know Hutch doesn’t carry a ball, but can you imagine that happening and a player pushing/pulling him while he is injured. No, I’m all for banning it.
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