Using Ra as an example is the same as those that would say Tom Brady proves that you can get a franchise QB in the 6th round.
Welp if you think Manu is a 1st round talent then more power to you. And you actually questioned me about understanding reality in a previous post.
How would any of us know what round ātalentā Manu is right now?
Saying he is a 1st round talent is no different than saying he isnāt a 4th round talentā¦.
Bingo
The whole debate hinges on what you think about a player that none of us have any real data on.
To me, he looks like a guy that in a few years we will be saying āI canāt believe we got that stud in the 4th roundā
Iām a homer though.
So you have no assessment on Manu? Where do you think his talent level ranks? Or is this just another ātrust in Bradā moment?
How do you feel about giving up future higher levels assets to gain current lower level assets? Do you think itās a good approach to healthy team building?
Yeah, itās kind of silly, like the positional value bit. Nobody knows the future. If Manu went to a top 5 program as a college freshman, who would he be now? Give him two year in a pro program and weāll know.
It would something if the right side of our line in two years was Sorsdal and Manu.
I wish more power for you too, brotherā¦I mean that.
None of these examples will ever be āapples to applesā. Completely different humansā¦more āthe principle of itāā¦but yes, I think he will grade out as a much higher talent than his draft position, and that is the main point.
Mad Mel Kiper mentioned he hasnāt played a lot of football in his career, Iām still waiting for the scoop regarding when did this dude start playing football. I already like him, based upon when he did start playing football might mean I like him even more
How would any of us know much about Manu???
Are you implying that you have watched an entire game of his play?
1 singleā¦. completeā¦ game?
I like it too. You can see how aggressive his is, how he instinctually blocks on second and third levels.
you can also see where he hasnāt developed muscle memory with violent hands and footworkā¦that is taughtā¦the stuff that isnāt taught ā he is already a winner at.
people criticized the pick of Ansah because he was rawā¦I saw a guy sniffing out screens, staying home, etc that had never been properly trained. parallels here.
No, I am implying that I do not like the approach that Holmes took today.
Do you agree that itās a good healthy approach to use higher level assets to gain lower level assets? That in the long run a team would be more talented by using that approach?
What makes you sure that this is the equation?
I donāt agree that trading a late 3rd round pick in 2025ā¦. in exchange for a 4th rounder in 2024ā¦.
is a huge difference in value.
Teams do this all the timeā¦ pretty much every year.
We did the same thing to get Barnes.
Cap would tell you it was a genius moveā¦. 
Please donāt ruin our day
He definitely lost weight for that pro day from what little tape we can find, hopefully itās a permanent deal (like Alim). In fact you wonder how athletic heād be if he lost 20 more.
looks like a greek god.
Seriouslyā¦ if they traded up to the 4th roundā¦
I have to imagine they liked his tape well in addition to being enamored with the physical traits.
It may be a big jump in competitionā¦.
but I am really pumped.
Mailata NEVER played football before he was drafted.
bet you wouldnāt call either of them A "Jerryās Kid " to their faces.
Heās got a lot of incentive ($$$$$$$$) to keep the weight off of lose more.
enjoy our defense ladies and gentsā¦