Are the Lions and Shiela Hamp Ford committed to a Super Bowl

They seem to be content in keeping the Lions competitive and relevant but not going to go all in for a Super Bowl appearance. If by somehow the Lions fall a** backwards into the big game she will be thrilled I but not priority number one. just my opinion nothing fact based

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The key to getting to the SB is getting in the playoffs. From there, it’s the team that gets hot that usually wins it all.
Selling the future for a season or 2 leads to rebuilds. You might find an exception or two, but they are rare. Belichick Patriots never sold out to win the big one, they kept replenishing in the draft and FA.

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Yes and no. I will give you my thought in February

One hell of an assumption, if ya asked me.

…a couldn’t be more off base assumption, from my vantage point.

One game shy of the Super Bowl a couple of years ago… That doesn’t look like not trying to me

Looking at all of these super trades, and how they don’t work out… Makes the ā€œ All inā€ Strategy looks stupid and cap catastrophe to me

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I hope you are right. I want to be wrong.

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Expectations and assumptions…

We can’t read their minds but we have the winningest team assembled for the last 4.5 season …. Only second to the 1930’s?!

I don’t see it…

running the team different doesn’t mean worse or indifferent…. Just a different way

In regard to Shiela, I think she gives full autonomy to Brad. She believes in him.

Brad has discipline and will no deviate from his long term approach. Love it or hate it, you have to appreciate the discipline to the vision.

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Holmes has told you over and over and over exactly how he’s going to it.

Why do people think he’s just going to change his stripes?

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I think it’s because his strategy hasn’t worked.

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Key Draft and FAs

We at least do one part of that equation, the draft part.

There are 3 teams in the NFL that have longer winning season streaks than the Lions. One of them is Philly. That leaves the Bills and Pittsburgh. Are the other NFL teams all failures?

4 teams have won the SB in the last 5 years. Are the other 28 all failures?

Winning = not failure.

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Figured they’d try something new since they’ve been banging their heads against the wall for 4 seasons. But here we are. Good, not great. Seasons have ended earlier and earlier the last 3 years. Every team has lots of injuries so let’s remove those crutches. This staff built a great nucleus back in the day. But some of those players are starting to get a little long in the tooth in nfl terms.

The lions have 0 super bowls, 0 conference championships. So, ya, Holmes took it down to the studs and built a really solid core roster. 90% of the lifting was done in his first three seasons. Like, sure he’s added literally a handful of decent players since the got Reynolds wrapped in SF, but the trajectory curve crested there, and we are heading towards the valley.

But for Holmes to go big in a trade would be admitting he’s done a poor job at adding to his great start these last few years via the draft, and there’s no way he’d do that. He’s got an incredible ego for a GM that’s accomplished absolutely nothing on the grand stage. ā€œHe’s brought us into respectability and we’ve been relevant for 4 yearsā€!!! his ballwashers cry! But his job wasn’t to make the team relevant. GMs are hired to win championships. In most instances anyways.

The ownership is laughing all the way to the bank and they probably think Holmes is the cats meow because they are decent and business is good. So they care about winning a Super Bowl? Ya, I’m sure they’d like to because it’d be neat. But do they absolutely burn for one? Absolutely not. There’s no way Holmes’ ego would stand in his way if he felt like he absolutely needed to win one.

So we’ll get a snarky Holmes presser in early January talking about how they’ll never deviate from their plan, they had some unfortunate injury luck, and they believe in the group of players and this staff. And Lions fans will watch the teams that have built better teams (quicker in most cases) participate in the playoffs and say that things are good because we won 10 games and it’s better than where we’ve been before.

It’s an awful experience. The Lions fans and moreover the guys from the beginning of this rebuild that are still on the roster deserve better than what Holmes has given them since that ball bounced off Vildor’s face mask.

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Yes.

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I think making a move to just make a move doesn’t make sense. IMO, part of the reason it was hard to find that perfect trade is Detroit’s roster is LOADED with talent. I think the exception is really cornerback but it takes two to tango. I came to the conclusion that there just isn’t that one player who puts us over the top. So, yes I do think SHF is committed to winning a Super Bowl. She’s done a lot right. One of them is to hire great people and allow them to be great. This isn’t Mike I opening his wallet to go buy a Stanley Cup in the NFL with the salary cap. There is only so much you can do.

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Linebacker

Corner

DE

All not overflowing with talent. If Wonnum doesn’t have brain damage and they stay healthy they have good starters at DE but CB and LB is a wasteland and it truly is inexcusable for them to leave it the way it is. IMO of course.

Nah, they’re just screwing around. Rich person vanity project. Don’t care about winning in the least, clearly.

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For a Lions Denmate, you really don’t get it. Sorry for you’re ignorance. Not an insult, when it comes to pickleball, I’m very ignorant, I’m guessing you could teach me how to stack a team of 60+ year old’s to win a championship. :clinking_beer_mugs:

What am I not getting? Did I go into a coma and miss where Holmes stayed aggressive and kept building upon the final four appearance 3 fac king years ago? Or am I wrong that Conference Final→ losing in wild card→ missing playoffs is ā€˜heading in the wrong direction’? Tell me wise one, what exactly am I missing? List what Brad has accomplished in the last 4 seasons. Do not mention a single thing from 2021-2023. I’ve repeated on here repeatedly that I was a huge Holmes supporter in those years because he seemed aggressive, smart, willing to do difficult things. Say emsomeone else did what he did in first three years. Then that gm sadly passed away and Holmes inherited this young (they’re not that young anymore) group of good players in February 2024. Evaluate what has transpired since that time. Still happy? Maybe you are and that’s fine or whatever. I :100: expect a snarky comment or a joke of some sort in your response because you know you can’t say anything proper to justify your original comment. Or you’ll say injuries. Every roster is smashed by injury by December. Brad Holmes has been horrendous as the GM of this team for 2.5 years, and I am very much so not alone in that thinking.

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Who would you replace with holmes? Name me 5 GM’s who have drafted better than Holmes and please name the picks they’ve hit on. If you think he’s doing a bad job then you probably have some people in mind that you want to replace him with, right?