https://sports.yahoo.com/detroit-lions-qb-jared-goff-100502797.html
Thatâs something we never had with Stafford. Big plus for Goff.
I was waiting for this one to hit the board, so many good take aways in this article. The nuance of play-action goes so far beyond just Goff. I think I heard on the NFL Network that his QB rating off play action is 123.something.
From the article:
Big pass plays and Goff
Heâs completing a career-high 69.8% of his passes and the Lions (4-1) lead the league with 23 pass plays of 20-plus yards, many off run fakes.
Goff said successful play-action passes require three parts: The offensive line firing off the snap to mimic a run play, the quarterback and running back optimizing their mesh point on the fake handoff, and the quarterback carrying out the entirety of the fake.
" âShow, snap, shrinkâ is kind of the coaching point for it," he said. "But I think more than anything is making it look exactly like it does when you do hand it off, whatever that is, whether itâs âshow, snap, shrinkâ or a similar version of your mechanics
The OL has to sell it as much as the QB and RB do:
In huddles, offensive linemen occasionally remind themselves to âthink of it as a runâ before play-action passes. Center Frank Ragnow said heâs conscious of making the same line calls for play-action pass plays that he would for running plays. And having a detailed lead back like David Montgomery in the backfield helps.
And this from the article which I believe many of the Ram or Goff fans who have come to the Den have talked about this. Five snapsâŚ
Goff, who played virtually his entire high school and college career out of the shotgun formation â he estimates he ran five plays total from under center during those years, all in goal line situations â said he had to learn to play under center with the Rams and get comfortable turning his back to defenses in play-action situations.
â(Defenses are) going to move around, theyâre going to be in a different place when you probably turn your head around, so have an idea of what theyâre going to be in pre-snap and what coverage theyâre going to be in, and then when you turn your head around either confirming that or understanding that youâre wrong and finding out what it is very quickly,â Goff said. âThat part of the processing of it was probably the main challenge early on in my career, and as Iâve gone on, Iâve got a better grasp of the game and itâs become a little bit more practical every day thatâs something that I do to recognize the coverage.â
Final thought right after I posted the above.
When we discuss missing wide open players, ie he went elsewhere with the ball do we take into consideration that he has his back to the defense for a moment? This is before he even then looks at the route progression designed into the playaction play that was called.
So we see the still shots of JW wide open or Z wide open but those still shots donât really tell the story in some cases if not many of them
This is something I was always irritated about with the Stafford offenses. He had a rocket arm but his half-assed play action motion would make me think âwhy botherâ. it wasnât fooling anyone
Kind of looks like Stafford under Schwartz right?
I canât agree with that. Staffordâs play action fakes are a marvel of grace and timing.
Again, SO much goes into excellent QB play that we fans typically donât appreciate. âBall handlingâ [snicker] is a criminally underrated part of QB play, in general, and of JGâs game, in particular.
Hilarios gif. Reminds me of this one.
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And this from the article which I believe many of the Ram or Goff fans who have come to the Den have talked about this. Five snapsâŚ
Goff, who played virtually his entire high school and college career out of the shotgun formation â he estimates he ran five plays total from under center during those years, all in goal line situations â said he had to learn to play under center with the Rams and get comfortable turning his back to defenses in play-action situations.
â(Defenses are) going to move around, theyâre going to be in a different place when you probably turn your head around, so have an idea of what theyâre going to be in pre-snap and what coverage theyâre going to be in, and then when you turn your head around either confirming that or understanding that youâre wrong and finding out what it is very quickly,â Goff said. âThat part of the processing of it was probably the main challenge early on in my career, and as Iâve gone on, Iâve got a better grasp of the game and itâs become a little bit more practical every day thatâs something that I do to recognize the coverage.â
This would seem to imply that a young QB can learn as his career progressesâŚ. and he might even be able to improve over time.
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This would seem to imply that a young QB can learn as his career progressesâŚ. and he might even be able to improve over time.
![](https://thedenforum.com/user_avatar/thedenforum.com/frm710/48/897_2.png)
Goff, who played virtually his entire high school and college career out of the shotgun formation â he estimates he ran five plays total from under center during those years, all in goal line situations
Those 5 snaps must have been in highschool because I never saw them. Cal even ran victory formation out of shotgun, not that that was a common occurrence.
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This would seem to imply that a young QB can learn as his career progressesâŚ. and he might even be able to improve over time.
Shh. Thatâll get you flamed.
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