The teams you just listed have an ability to be extremely flexible with their system and have shown an ability to intergrate players into whatever system they run quickly.
Pretty much the exact opposite of the current Detroit Lions
The real question is do you want a team that wins or one that loses? Patricia’s teams lose. Period. To bad teams. With historically bad quarterbacks. What about that is building a perennial contender? How does taking a team from winning to losing somehow set up for future success?
The logic here is like the underpants gnomes from South Park:
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Then again, so are plenty of other teams. Parity is the name of the game nowadays.
(Well, that and shitty officiating.)
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I’m seriously wondering, if we’re still waiting for Quinn to get Patricia’s so called players on the team so that Patricia can be successful…
What exactly are these traits that make these players so special in Patricia’s system, that aren’t also traits that any other team would want, and are making these players so hard to find?
And where are these positions on the team that Quinn hasn’t already touched with an opportunity to fill that position with a 'Patricia Player"?
Here let’s do this, here’s a list of all the starters.
Which of these players are Patricia players, and which are not. And if they aren’t, what makes them not a Patricia player
Stafford
Johnson
Decker
Wiggins/Dahl
Ragnow
Glasgow
Wagner
Hockenson
Jones
Golladay
Amendola
Flowers
Hand
Harrison
Daniels
Kennard
Davis
Tavai
JRM
Slay
Coleman
Melvin
Walker
Harris/Wilson
This is the bulk of our starters, depending on the “scheme” / situational set we’re in.
So which of these players is not a “Patricia Player”, and wasn’t brought here by Quinn during the Patricia reign. Because if they were brought here during the Patricia reign, then they must be a 'Patricia Player" or Quinn is a complete F’ing idiot.
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OL is subpar, IMO
DL looks like a MASH unit.
Rest of roster isn’t actually too bad. (definitely need a RB).
I am always a fan of ugly football and building the trenches first. Let’s fix the DL and turn 80% of these 1 score losses into wins, and make a nice playoff run, next year. Get some frigging help at RB.
Beef up OL (we already have a couple of nice pieces), The DL (hopefully we can find out what we have in Hand and Bryant, see Daniels and Snacks healthy, and at least know which direction to go next offseason), and get a friggin stud RB.
See and I disagree. I think these teams have been good for so long, they dont have to reach for a possible impact player to make them marginally better.
They are able to draft to their system as their staff don’t change every 3 years, and can afford to take the occasional “shot in the dark” to really give them that edge.
That starts with consistency and a good foundation…both of which we were sorely lacking!
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Sure, but the arguments being made in this thread are saying that Quinn is still building this team, that he needs more time to bring in Patricia type players to play the Patricia scheme.
Not talking about injuries, not talking about performance issues.
We are being told Quinn just hasn’t had enough time to bring in the players that Patricia needs to be successful with his scheme.
I’d like to know what position exactly is lacking a “Patricia specific type player” that Quinn has not had the opportunity to address yet, and what makes that player(s) not a Patricia type player?
I personally think this roster is a Quinn/Patricia roster from top to bottom. 70% turn over since Caldwell walked out the doors of Ford Field. If the talent isn’t there, than that’s on Quinn.
So do you think that Caldwell teams were solidly built to contend year in and year out? Were we a year pff of being a 10 year playoff team or had we plateaued?
I really want what the Pats have, the Steelers have, the Ravens have, the Seahawks have…and thats a team that consistently competes and its more of an anomaly if we arent good, then a one year wonder and then back to the basement.
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Sure it is. They have the types of players that can succeed in their system. they will continue to acquire the right type of players, but will have more talent and depth. I think it’ll improve dramatically. That 20 mil sitting there in cap space has to be spent this offseason. It’s going to help an absolute ton. Bring back some dudes like Daniels, Wagner, Decker cheaper, and count on them for what they should be - depth. Upgrade where you can (may not be able to upgrade both tackles in one offseason). It’ll get better. I believe they’ll build a solid playoff team, if not a contender. We’re competing with a bunch of backups now.
Tomorrow we will set out to prove…who is worse…Trubisky or our D? Life’s great unsolved mysteries.
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The Ravens changed everything about their offense midseason last year and doubled down in the offseason.
The offensive system that they are currently employing to great success wasn’t there 14 months ago, let alone 3.
That’s what great coaches do, they take what they have and make the most of it.
What’s even crazier about the current Detroit Lions is the Patriot Way is flexibility.
They literally ran out a totally different defense the second half of the Balitmore game. It didn’t totally work but at least they gave it a shot.
That’s my biggest issue with Patricia we run the same defensive scheme the whole damn game.
When Patricia was in New England there were years the defense was made up of players that weren’t that talented and weren’t there for as long as he’s been here in Detroit. Why could New England so much more success defensively than he’s having here.
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I agree that the Ravens changed their offence to fit L.Jackson…but they didn’t draft him with the intention of having him run the same system as Flacco. They accomplished it by changing their OC…not their HC and GM, every 15 minutes because they had a down year last year.
Honest question…if the DL amd secondary were healthy do you think we wouldn’t be more versatile? Perhaps we are running the same D weekly because we have no other option due to all the injuries!
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Ive seen the Patriots throw out a dlineman 5 lb 5 db look in the playoffs.
Considering all the injuries on the dline why haven’t we trotted anything close to that once.
Ironically enough the Ravens have changed their offensive system about once every 3 years.
Pro Patricia fans keep saying they want Paul P gone.
How they hell do any of y’all know Paul isn’t responsible or partiality responsible for the positive things yall give Patricia credit for?
Y’all want to keep Patricia because y’all are claiming he’s building something but totally fine with him discarding 2 coordinators after 2 years. How are you buidling something while you constantly turning over coordinators?
I don’t believe in Patricia but if he’s staying he deserves to keep Paul if he thinks he’s the man for the job.
I’ve never heard of a head coach replace 2 coordinators after his 1st 2 years and it working out.
I agree with Chris, Ugly now, but I believe it will come together.
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Every fan wants that. But we are one of the only teams that can’t even manage to be a one year wonder.
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Yep, no one year wonders here…We’re left wondering about the Lions every year!
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I assume by a Marinelli year, you mean his 0-16 year. The roster is too good for that. Not saying it’s an amazing roster. But it’s an 8-8 (+-) 2 games if healthy kind of roster. Depending on how the offseason goes that could another 1 win in either direction.
That all assumes good health at the QB position of course.
Quinn’s been here four years.
That’s a total indictment of him.
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Regime changes, my man. Quinn has to build a different type of roster to fit all the new systems. I’m just wondering what they’re going to do w/this D. Guessing they can’t do a new system there again, so will have to get the correct DC.
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No one does, including yourself. And the only way to possibly see evidence as a fan is for there to be a change made where one goes and one stays. That being the case if only one of them is let-go which one do you think would be more likely to be fired? the other scenarios are neither are fired or both are fired and in that case once again nobody will know for sure. The only historical evidence is that Patricia seems to have the better resume and reputation as defensive Guru, per se
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Seeing what New England’s defense was during Patricia’s reign and after I don’t know if we are using the process of elimination that Patricia’s rep holds up