CJ Stroud 👀

[Mr.Peabody]

@Snags

@Mr.Peabody

@HSVLion

@Air2theThrown

@HSVLion and I had several talks about it. He felt
just the opposite that Fields would be a stud and Stroud wouldn’t.

In my defense…my evaluation of Fields as a prospect was always based on his otherworldly physical and arm talent. Was Cam Newton ever great at reading progressions like Stroud and other guys can? How about Lamar? That’s what I thought Fields was going to be was a player like that. I never thought Fields was going to beat you by breaking your coverage down schematically. I thought the threat of him as an athlete was going to put the ball in the court of the offensive coordinator, and that the advantage that gives a team would make them good.

Stroud I saw flashes from, but I’m not going to act like I called it either. I saw this as a possibility but definitely didn’t think it was going to happen. I would say I’m more educated in the sort of spread/air raid style offenses we’ve been running all these years under Urban than the pro/spread we’ve shifted to under Day now. I didn’t understand what we were doing as well with Stroud. Stroud made some crazy anticipation throws that I thought gave him a shot to be good. It also didn’t help that he pissed off our rabid fanbase with poor play after unknowingly getting his shoulder hurt against Minnesota his first game, but that was our fault.

And also…I haven’t ever seen what a good NFL QB looks like at Ohio State.

Let’s make sure we are clear on something. Fields went to one of the worst situations he could have possibly gone into. Whatever anyone’s evaluation of him was…its incomplete, with the odds stacked against him based on the team that drafted him.

Did Stafford go to a good situation here?
Most high 1st round QB’s go to shitty teams and organizations. Stroud went to one, he’s doing fine. I said it b4 and I’ll say it again, I don’t think Fields has it upstairs to succeed in the NFL.

Matt Stafford went to a team with Calvin Johnson and one of the best offensive coordinators in the league at developing young QBs (Scott Linehan).

[Lyonfan1]

I remember all of that. HSV seems to be hoping we remember differently given his long term love affair with OSU lol.

I was wrong about Stroud, and right about Young and AR15

[HiFidelity]

I’ve already posted my mea culpa about Stroud but to me it is more blind hog finding acorn than OSU all of a sudden becoming a QB factory

Stroud is good enough to overcome the poor incubator in Columbus, although judging by his body language and excuses last couple of years I would never have predicted it.

~

so how about Texans gambling on themselves and doubling down to get Stroud and Anderson? Right now that pick they sent to Phoenix is looking like a mid first. For Anderson.

[Snags]

@Mr.Peabody

@Snags

@Mr.Peabody

@HSVLion

@Air2theThrown

@HSVLion and I had several talks about it. He felt
just the opposite that Fields would be a stud and Stroud wouldn’t.

In my defense…my evaluation of Fields as a prospect was always based on his otherworldly physical and arm talent. Was Cam Newton ever great at reading progressions like Stroud and other guys can? How about Lamar? That’s what I thought Fields was going to be was a player like that. I never thought Fields was going to beat you by breaking your coverage down schematically. I thought the threat of him as an athlete was going to put the ball in the court of the offensive coordinator, and that the advantage that gives a team would make them good.

Stroud I saw flashes from, but I’m not going to act like I called it either. I saw this as a possibility but definitely didn’t think it was going to happen. I would say I’m more educated in the sort of spread/air raid style offenses we’ve been running all these years under Urban than the pro/spread we’ve shifted to under Day now. I didn’t understand what we were doing as well with Stroud. Stroud made some crazy anticipation throws that I thought gave him a shot to be good. It also didn’t help that he pissed off our rabid fanbase with poor play after unknowingly getting his shoulder hurt against Minnesota his first game, but that was our fault.

And also…I haven’t ever seen what a good NFL QB looks like at Ohio State.

Let’s make sure we are clear on something. Fields went to one of the worst situations he could have possibly gone into. Whatever anyone’s evaluation of him was…its incomplete, with the odds stacked against him based on the team that drafted him.

Did Stafford go to a good situation here?
Most high 1st round QB’s go to shitty teams and organizations. Stroud went to one, he’s doing fine. I said it b4 and I’ll say it again, I don’t think Fields has it upstairs to succeed in the NFL.

Matt Stafford went to a team with Calvin Johnson and one of the best offensive coordinators in the league at developing young QBs (Scott Linehan).

He went to a team who had mostly the same players that went winless the prior year. We brought-in Bryant Johnson from Zona to help the WR corp. Matt might have come into a better situation than Fields but Stroud didn’t come into a great situation and he’s doing great.

[FreebirdPartDeux]

Indeed

[Air2theThrown]

@Mr.Peabody

Let’s make sure we are clear on something. Fields went to one of the worst situations he could have possibly gone into. Whatever anyone’s evaluation of him was…its incomplete, with the odds stacked against him based on the team that drafted him.

True …. had he landed in a QB friendly offense like SF he’d probably have far better results.

But let’s be fair too. The kid struggled to read defenses. It was brought up by myself and others pre draft. It was clear he needed time to develop and was more of a project QB. His struggles are why it’s hard to develop a QB. Not every staff is capable.

I think he could still develop into a NFL caliber QB but that’s unlikely to happen in CHI.

[Motorcitymaniac]

@farmerted

How many times did we hear “Ohio State QBs are system QBs and don’t translate to the NFL”? That’s why you scout the player not the jersey.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.

[farmerted]

Yeah, Tom Brady was pretty good. Too bad Michigan wasn’t smart enough to play him more.

[socko]

@Snags

@farmerted

I mean Fields hasn’t had the best environment to blossom.

And stroud has?
Like do we know anyone on that offense?

They have Stroud.
And that receiver with the body of a 14 year old.
And that OT that wears the bong gas mask on TV.

[Air2theThrown]

@Snags

Matt might have come into a better situation than Fields

I dont know Matt’s situation was pretty shitty.

CHI didn’t do Fields any justice but neither did Detroit. Millen had gutted that team of any talent.

Notice that CHI offense and OL looks better without Fields.

[farmerted]

I’ll say one thing, having a good LT can help a young QB. Stroud was always a better passer than Fields. My concern with him entering the draft was his processing speed. He was slow at times, but I have seen few QBs more accurate than him with a decent (not great but good) arm.

[AlexSmithsVallet]

I picked him up and started him in fantasy this week. 41 pts. Problem is the rest of my guys stink

[HiFidelity]

In a flex league, picked him up when Anthony Richardson got hurt

Hurts and Stroud as my QB ++

[GermanLion]

Young with already two pick six today. Frank Reich will be sick after wanting Stroud.

[LionFrog]

@farmerted

How many times did we hear “Ohio State QBs are system QBs and don’t translate to the NFL”?

I have no idea what you’re talking about?

[AlexSmithsVallet]

I grabbed Lawrence thinking he would take a big step, boy I was wrong. I still think he’s legit, but his numbers have been rough

[Phunnypharm]

@AlexSmithsVallet

I picked him up and started him in fantasy this week. 41 pts. Problem is the rest of my guys stink

Nobody cares about anyone else’s fantasy team…

[Jason]

Could you imagine being a Panthers fan?

[Mr.Peabody]

@Snags

He went to a team who had mostly the same players that went winless the prior year. We brought-in Bryant Johnson from Zona to help the WR corp. Matt might have come into a better situation than Fields but Stroud didn’t come into a great situation and he’s doing great.

@Air2theThrown

True …. had he landed in a QB friendly offense like SF he’d probably have far better results.

But let’s be fair too. The kid struggled to read defenses. It was brought up by myself and others pre draft. It was clear he needed time to develop and was more of a project QB. His struggles are why it’s hard to develop a QB. Not every staff is capable.

I think he could still develop into a NFL caliber QB but that’s unlikely to happen in CHI.

Guys, there is a middle ground between going into a plug and play situation like the 49ers and going into the opposite end of the spectrum…like what Justin Fields went into.

[Motorcitymaniac]

@farmerted

Yeah, Tom Brady was pretty good. Too bad Michigan wasn’t smart enough to play him more.

Who were they going to play him over? Brian Greese in 97? I think they should have played him over Hensen but he was the #1 QB recruit in the nation and they were afraid he was going to the Yankees.