2021 really counts???
Ben Johnson was a Lions coach in 2021 so you gotta take that 3-13-1 out of it.
In reality Dan is 10 and 9 without Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn.
It’s silliness. But that is the lazy narrative that people crave right now, so that is what we’re going to get. The more accurate of two excellent but different coaches doesn’t drive clicks.
I also think we likely win 11 games last year if Sam never gets injured. Ben had a great deal of good fortune in terms of the health of his offense while he was here.
3-13-1 should go to the “with” Ben column then.
They know the point they are trying to make and need the stat to fit that points. Therefore filter it via Ben’s time as OC. Bc it was all Ben of course.
We also had a healthy Kerby and Branch when Ben was here. And Frank Ragnow. Those 3 all pros kinda help your record.
Even forgetting all of that. If just Sam stays healthy last year I think we likely win another couple games. He’s so important to this offense IMO.
I guess it said with Ben and without Ben.
Make that without Frank Ragnow and honestly it feels like AG was a bigger loss at this point.
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And Zeitler… plus Decker completely broke down in 2025.
It will be interesting how well Ben and Chicago fill out the roster once Caleb is making the same coin as Goff.
Yeah, but now it’s the Cardinal’s offense
The 2025 Cardinal’s offense
That was the fix
Import the 2025 Cardinal’s offense
The team that won the Super Bowl last year imported the OC from the 2024 New Orleans Saints 25th ranked offense.
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Wait. What?
Are you trying to tell me that a good OC can be hired from somewhere other than a team that had a rop offense due to superior offensive talnet???
Blasphemy!
Oh wait… Dan hired Ben as a 1st time OC after he was a TE coach on a shitty team… and it actually worked out well. 
But… Dan doesn’t get credit for that decision around these parts…
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You guys can lecture me on my small mindedness when the Lions offsense stops looking like it’s from Arizona