Goff vs Stafford Career Stats (Why Goff is the Best modern Lions QB)

Caldwell was a great coach for Stafford individually, but a quick apples for apples comparison shows up huge differences in what Stafford had around him in the Caldwell years versus what Goff has now.

To start, Joe Lombardi is one of the worst OCs in NFL history, and while Jim Bob Cooter was clearly better than Lombardi, I think we can all agree that he doesn’t come close to Ben Johnson.

Then there’s the players:

Stafford always had a good 1-2 at WR, but never had a TE like LaPorta, got one good year out of Bush and then basically nothing at RB, and the O-line was never close to the current O-line. Worse scheme + worse players = worse results.

I don’t really know what you expected Stafford to speak up about? It’s literally the GM and HC’s jobs to figure out how to get the best out of the talent that is on the roster, they both get paid millions for that, so why should it fall on the QB to be their line manager alongside all the other stuff a QB takes on for the team? Would a diva Matthew Stafford have really helped things?

“Hey Martin / Bob and Jim, you both suck at your jobs. Draft better players and hire better coaches.”

“Oh wow, thanks Matthew. We never thought of that.”

Huh?

We don’t know what Stafford spoke up about. One thing you can say of him is that he was always dignified and respectful in the public domain, but behind the scenes he might well have been pushing for change or evolution.

Look at Aaron Rodgers. A genuine elite QB, but he moaned and whined and got his way, and the Packers won precisely nothing in all those years that Rodgers was influencing personnel and scheme decisions.

Caldwell was too stubborn, chose mediocre staff and was too loyal to them, and was too conservative. Quinn was a mediocre talent evaluator, Mayhew the same. None of that is Stafford’s fault, nor was it his responsibility to change it. That’s on ownership and the self scouting process.

Caldwell employed him. Also, he employed Washburn…who was terrible and everyone hated…

Not sure your definition a good leader…but I sure dont think a good leader employs bad workers…and I sure dont think a good leader doesnt have an open door policy for his mega-million dollar QB to come into his office and tell him what he feels is wrong…

You think Tom Brady is sitting by with this trash?

Silent Stafford did.

All Stafford said was…“Um…”

“Mr. Um…”

“Silent Stafford”.

“Stat Padford”

“Pad Statsford”…

List goes on…

Mr…“ummmm”…

What a joke

Glad we have a real winner in Jared Goff.

Not " Mr. Um"

Reporter: Matt…what happened on that bogus penalty call?

Matthew Stafford: Um…

Ok…Mr…Ummm

Ok… Mr…“things of that nature…”…

Yeah…ok…“Ummmmm that youre a zero here in Detroit/Michigan…”

He is a zero around here.

Glad we have real leaders running this team and I am witnessing it.

Mr. “Um”
Mr. “Things of that nature”…

So glad these guys are gone and we have a real organization and team…top to bottom…

Thank you, Sheila

You think Bill Belichick let Brady have a say in anything at all that wasn’t scheme related?

Did you not read what I wrote about Aaron Rodgers and how allowing him to influence decision making in free agency, the draft and coaching hires got the Packers zero further Super Bowl wins?

And did you not read the part where I pointed out Caldwell’s flaws as a coach? Caldwell’s stubbornness and excessive loyalty weren’t Stafford’s responsibility. You seem to imagine that if Stafford had just spoken up once, not only would Caldwell have done exactly what Stafford wanted, but he’d have also magically found much better people to replace the ones that he didn’t want to fire in the first place. It’s a complete fantasy.

If a coach (or a manager or any other kind of boss) caves to the demands of those he manages, is that really leadership? What’s he there for if his underlings are the ones driving decision making? If NFL players handled decision making, they wouldn’t ever practice hard, they wouldn’t ever run plays that they don’t like, they wouldn’t have coaches that push them to their limits, and they’d go 0-17 every year until the end of time. Part of leadership is making unpopular decisions. If they work out, great, if they don’t, that sucks, but that’s what Caldwell was being paid for, and that’s what he did. He shouldn’t have listened to whining players, what he should have done is been able to see with his own eyes where things weren’t working and figured out how to change them. Point the finger at Caldwell for being flawed, not at Stafford for not essentially assuming Caldwell’s responsibilities.

Stafford was higher paid…Caldwell was average at the very best…

Mr…“Um”

Grab your jock strap and say what the feels…what did he have to lose? Demand a trade? He did that and left silently

That’s the place I showed in Hidden Hills, a long ways away from the beach.
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Has a pool

Are you this much of a mosquito in real life?

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Stafford didnt say a word around here…never stood up for his team after he got his big extension…prior to it? Maybe…after he got his big deal? He fell off, which is why Zimmer had him under his thumb

Turned to “Mr. Um”…

Mr…“let me take my mega-millions to California like my Wife wants”

Go look back

I was glad we traded him. Watch back. He couldn’t handle a loaded box/faux blitzing…

Thats how Zimmer owned him…and how Dalls.owned him the 2nd half in the playoffs…

Now, Zimmer is Dallas’ DC…

:laughing:

Enjoy your paid for Kroenke Super Bowl. He paid the whole league off…31 of them. And the refs.

New team…new city…new stadium…had to help pay for it somehow…

Not authentic Matty.

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Guess im the Lions/Browns/Bengals/Bears…

waiting on the NFL owners to throw one us a bone and win a Super Bowl?

Guess its not allowed in this region…

Gotta pick the fake… baby!

Miami will probably win it all this year…ya know? NFL doesn’t want tackling…

LIONS might move to Hawaii sooner or later…Honolulu Blue, right?

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I do believe there were many years that Matt was given a shitty team around him but there were a few years we did have some talent and decent coaching and we still couldn’t even muster-up 1 fricking playoff win.

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The Stafford talk won’t ever end. Lions fans can’t even enjoy a moment in this franchise’s history without talking about Stafford.

That happened with Barry Sanders too :person_shrugging:

And Calvin.

I already did 100 pushups this morning… 60 just aint gonna cut it. No wonder Caleb is so soft. Common dad…:joy:

Caleb’s dad has at least 20 percent of the accounts on the den these days :wink:

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Well Barry did participate in a playoff win….but the Lions should have never gone 30 years without a playoff win with some of the talented teams they had in the 90s and after Stafford was drafted. It’s only one issue I see with those teams of the past……they did not have this front office leadership or this Head Coach and coaching staff. If those teams had anything remotely similar the Lions would have had a few more playoff wins in the 90s and at least one in the years that Stafford and Calvin were here. So I blame the franchise for the team’s inability to win in the playoffs….not any one or two players

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The 2014 team should have won multiple playoff games. At one point we had the two most feared players in the nfl with CJ and Suh and we couldn’t even win the division.

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Don’t disagree but my question is why didn’t they?? Give them the playoff loss to Dallas, but like Dallas after 1991 why couldn’t the Lions add to what was an already solid foundation, win a division title and some playoff games as natural progression. Natural progression similar to what we are seeing now with the current regime??

The 2014 loss to the Cowboys was a bit of bad timing, the Cowboys won 6 of 7 going into that playoff game against the Lions. The Lions had just lost to the Packers the last game of the season.
The Dallas game was a good game. Lots of stuff in the end of that game that went into losing it for us.
Stafford had 3 fumbles and an interception I believe all in the 2nd half. The reversed call that never should have been a call to begin with, yada, yada.

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