Ive seen a few posts talking about all time lions.
And a few people say Stafford is the best modern era Lions QB.
I just dont see it.
Stafford throws a lot of coffin balls.
He has very low YAC. Because he doesn’t lead the WR away from defenders.
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Goff has a noodle. Stafford has a cannon. Haven’t we done this before 
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We have, and I agree. Performance and arms not even comparable.
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I definitely can see it. Not sure why you are using Rams stats, but even if you are, you have to compare the team around them. Stafford had several untalented teams, he started his NFL career with an 0-16 team and he played under Fatty Matty among others. Goff played under McVay and BJ minus one season. I can see picking either QB right now . . . but after this season 
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Really with this? I’m tired of the comparison. I’ll always love, and support Stafford. I’ll be cheering for the Rams. They got a really talented team. I love a lot of their players, love McVay, and Snead.
But I’m done with Stafford and his affiliation with Detroit. I’m over it.
As far as Goff vs Stafford: You stat people drive me nuts sometimes. I’m happy for Goff. I’m happy he’s winning. I’m happy the coaches, GM, etc support him. I’m happy people are chanting his name. I want him to be great, and I want this team to win as much as anyone. But he is no where near Stafford. Even if Goff wins the SB he’s still no where near Stafford. If Tua wins the SB, he’ll still be no where near Marino. Eli has two rings, and still wasn’t near Peyton.
Love Goff. That’s great. Let’s all cheer him on together. No one is against him. It’s unnecessary to try to make him better than Stafford. He’s a Ram. Goff is a Lion who’s here to stay. Let’s move on.
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2011 CJ 8th in NFL YAC
2012 CJ 7th
2013 Bell 9th
2014 Tate 3rd
2015 Riddick 3rd Tate 8th
2016 Tate 4th
2017 Tate 5th
Fun fact: Last season Stafford had 5.6 YAC per completion, 6th in the league. Goff was at 5.3 for 13th.
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A lot of people say that first playoff game in Detroit was the loudest game they had ever witnessed. Goff beats Stafford then wins a second playoff game in Detroit. In just comparing their careers in Detroit there is no comparison. Honestly once the Goff chants started t was over.
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Thats one player or one season!
Look at career stats. Whats the trend.
But my biggest issue with stafford was the coffin throws.
He would always stare down thr #1 WR ie CJ. And then if he wasnt open then scan the field.
By then the defender closed in and killed the WR.
Thats a big reason why CJ retired his body was destroyed from all the coffin catches.
Thats why goff is better. He better understands that and can scan the field and not kill his WRs unless its absolutely necessary. Ie TD/1st down
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Did you really just compare Stafford to Marino or Payton?
On what planet? Did stafford get a lot of yards? Yea. But aside from stats and rings what makes a QB great?
Making players better!
Goff took DJ chark, Raymond, and Reynolds that were cast offs from other teams and made them border line probowlers.
Took St Brown, a 5th round pick and turned him into an All Pro.
Stafford had how many 1st round Wrs that never did anything.
I loved stafford as well. Still have a jersey. BUT,
If at the end of the day. You ask who is the best Lions QB in the superbowl era.
It’s Goff no question.
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Lol exactly.
Is Goffs average YIA/C lower? Yes. Because goff actually goes through his progressions and throws check downs. Hence why his Comp% is higher. Rather have a 2-3yard completion vs incomplete or sack.
And if you look. Career?
Goff has a higher 20 yard plays per catch rate than Stafford.
I dont care if a 20 yard gain is all YAC or a bomb. 20 yards is 20 yards. And the QB is a major factor in that
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So guys like Montana and Brady will never be better than Stafford either?
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My opinion
Many of the comments are opposing each other but could have merit as stand alone
If you’re a stat jockey, you can justify the greatest punter that ever lived as 26th best.
Stats can be manipulated in many, many ways.
Comparisons are apples to truck tires anyway, as they were totally raised in completely different environments.
A QB raised in the right environment is going to do exponentially better than one in a shitty environment.
Patricia - literally as bad as it gets
Campbell - literally as good as it gets
Like literally the GOAT vs the WOAT
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You owe every den member 10 bucks… you said his name @LionFrog we got one.
And that’s like 14 bucks Canadian… Wooooooo
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We’re going to be rich!
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@Nate , just got the 420 error message when trying to post. (520)
The mushrooms are kicking in clearly…no error messages here
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It’s really interesting with Stafford and Goff. Two wildly different players with eerierly similar stats. Look at the stats since the trade and it’s almost exactly the same
Similar career arcs too. Both first overall picks. Both had a terrible rookie year. Both surged after that. Both had a slump. Stafford in 2013 and Goff in 2020
For the pattern to continue, Goff will win a Super bowl with his second team too.
They are cosmically tied together, those two. The wands they selected in Daigon Alley were carved from the same tree and share feathers from the same phoenix
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There’s merit to this for sure. But when Stafford was here he threw alot of check downs from shotgun. Linehan and Cooter designed offenses that used short passes in lieu of a run game. Pass short to set up passes deep
And most any QB, especially a gunslinger like Stafford, who has CJ for a decade is going to take a lot of deep shots. CJ had the literal catch radius of the broad side of a barn. Thats going to bump up YIA/C
Personally I much prefer our current offense. It’s not as one dimensional, more versatile in the way we can attack defenses. It allows for more of a chess game advantage
You are literally describing Goff to a T here.
The whole YAC argument is silly. And a lot of it is either lies, or stat manipulation. Which happens a lot around here with Goff. One guy shows Stafford stats, and the other Goff stats. Just to fit a bias. Both are different QB’s. With strengths and weaknesses. Goff is more of a medium guy, Stafford is more of a long guy. But both have been successful doing both.
YAC is more about the players. Especially those who can play slot. Kupp (for both QB’s), Puka, CJ, Tate, Riddick were good. Woods, ARSB, LaPorta, the RB’s were/are good. Marvin Jones (for example) isn’t that type of player. It also depends on the system. And a system that caters to the QB.
One of the most annoying things is when people can’t stick to a conversation, or argument, and the context of it all. Then fake arguments used against that person. No I did not compare Stafford to Marino or Peyton. I am comparing QB’s who played for the same team. Hence Goff, and Stafford. Tua, and Marino both played for the Dolphins. I compared Eli, and Peyton just cause they’re brothers.
This is an argument that cannot be won against Stafford. And it rivals other QB’s. Every receiver that played with Stafford had their best years. Including the top 2 record breaking WR’s (CJ, and Kupp). One of which didn’t achieve that with Goff (Kupp). Not to mention a record breaking rookie season (Puka). Even Danny Amendola had one of his best seasons with Stafford.
They’re not cast-offs. Chark was a solid WR already. That’s why BH signed him, and was able to sign him for a fair deal because of injury. Raymond hadn’t established himself yet as anything. Reynolds was already solid with Goff as a Ram.
Have no idea what you’re talking about. Again, annoying conversations.
Inconclusion, I’m not bashing Goff. You guys turn things into a Goff bash if he’s not crowned king. Goff is not better than Stafford. That’s my opinion.
Out of all the points made on both sides, this continues to be the one grounded in a counter reality.
BJ said in an interview he sends Goff to the line with five plays. Most QBs have three maximum. Hell our rookie tight end just broke the receptions record. He’s not the first option on most his routes. Goff is a cerebrial QB, knows this offense in and out and goes through progressions better than most QBs
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