Mr. Clean?!?!
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Takeaways are that we continue to invest in blockers, anywhere we can improve or upgrade, in FA and draft.
Also, our next three (potential) NFC opponents have QBs that live in a different quadrant.
Good for us, we have a better QB for the rest of the playoffs than the other team. That sounds odd to say.
Still not sold on Goffā¦ gonna need 2ā¦maybe 3 super bowl wins before I go all in. 
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You know who else is a superstar? Fraley. An absolute superstar at developing OL.
I donāt think weāll see the Lions either throwing money at a premium FA OL or drafting another OL in the 1st unless itās a HUGE value guy. I think Penei will prove to be the exception - a guy they (rightly, it seems) thought was a generational pick whoāll anchor the OL for 10 years, most of them as the left tackle.
Certainly I think the top of the 2024 draft will be devoted to D - again, unless they see HUGE relative value on O.
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What you said is why āunder pressureā stats need context. Jared is like Peyton Manning when it comes to this kind of metric. Jared reads defenses so fast that if he is ever āunder pressureā it means he misread something or they fooled him. Jared doesnāt ārun around until he can sort out whatās going on.ā Those guys have better stats āunder pressure.ā
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Hmmmā¦ I dunno.
What if they win 3 in spite of him rather than because of him? What if they win 3 instead of the 7 they would have won with a decent rookie QB?
If Goff makes the HOF Iām in. Maybe. Context matters.
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You had me at 3 super bowlsā¦
Trenches baby!!! Cant give them enough credit in there! And 2 really good RBs to keep the defense VERY honest! Separation by all our WRs and TE has been tremendous as well!
We are going to have a VERY expensive offense to try to retain! So much that defense may be average for a while!
On the bright side, we can collect a lot of draft picks with comps and trades and just stay young and establish a dynasty and keep it rolling!
Itās not about pressure itās about having a clean pocket to step into and throw.
Goff when he has a clean pocket has one of the highest QBR ratings in the NFL. Top 3 actually.
Goffās QBR when his pocket collapses has a rating of less than 0.60 meaning less than one completion out of 100 attempts per Jeremy Riesman. Which makes him the worst in the NFL.
Goff and Brees are a lot alike in that they need a clean pocket to have success. The saints always invested heavily on IOL so that Brees had a clean pocket to step into. The Lions will have to do the same for Goff.
Why is this so important?ā¦. Glad you asked.
Both QBās need to be able to plant their feet and get their body behind their throws in order to have a decent ball velocity. When they are unable to do that their velocity drops, the ball flutters more, and in turn accuracy drops, balls anre tipped more and INTās go up.
This begs the hard question. How much are you willing to pay Goff knowing you need a strong OL for him to succeed?
You canāt pay Goff 50+ mil and still build a quality OL.
Iām a Goff supporter and have been from day one but I also can recognize his limitations and what itās going to take for him to succeed.
The Lions will have some tough choices to make starting with Jackson this offseason.
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I think a Tucker Kraft style at TE2 would be helpful. Wright is solid but probably not worth contract 2.
I think this applies to more or less any QB. Remember last year when The Rams Oline dropped from top five to bottom five? Stafford was awful.
This year they are ranked top ten and viola suddenly his QB play is great again
I also donāt really think thereās escaping paying a franchise QB, franchise QB money. Sure a team can gamble and let a veteran QB walk for a draft lottery ticket QB but if that QB is good, which hopefully he is, the dilemma starts all over again. The good rookie QBs tend to get paid top money after three years
Regarding Jackson, he didnāt really make a case for top guard money. On a contract year he was either hurt or playing poorly. And hopefully the Vaitai experiment is over. Best case scenario, Sordosol becomes a solid G and we pick up another mid tier FA and draft another in the middle rounds
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It does but the real difference is Goff goes from one extreme to the next. With a clean pocket heās as good as any QB in the league. Without a clean pocket heās as bad as any.
I think the Lions have been trying to find cheap IOL depth for the last couple years and so far they havenāt really found it. I think they will either resign Jackson or invest in the IOL this year via FA or the Draft. I suspect Big V is done here.
It will be interesting to see what Goff demands in a new contract. Will he take a discount so that they can pay up on the IOL? Or will he demand top dollar and force the Lions to go cheap somewhere else?
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Big V is done. It was already revealed that this was his last attempt, wasnāt it?
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So Goff does the good things better than anyone else but also does the bad things worse than anyone else.
But at the same time, weād all agree that weād rather pay Goff than a Mayfield, Fields, Love, even a Stafford at age 29 right?
Goff has always been great when kept clean issue is when pressuredā¦ We all know why McVay gave him away and a playoff win vs Rams (shitty defense) shouldnāt have us wanting to pay him a huge contract. The test tbh will be against the 9ers next week. I know this is new territory for us Lions fans but we have to relax alittle and not fall into what the Rams did when they resigned him after the superbowl run and teams paying mediocre QBās. If he takes a team friendly deal and we can hold on to our studs and add more talent thats a different storyā¦
Having said that, i hope Goff balls tf out manā¦ LFG!!!
Absolutelyā¦ heās money with a clean pocket.
We know heās good but we also know he needs a clean pocket.
I just hope the Lions donāt try to go cheap on the IOL like some teams try to do. That would be a mistake.
He just doesnāt play hero ball. If a play isnāt going right he throws it into the turf. Iām good with that if it means a top five offense. But it means a bad grade when looking at stats under pressure
But two things. I also remember a graph posted that overall the Lions Oline was excellent a limiting pressure. But when it did, it did immediately. One of the worst on the league at TTP when pressure was allowed
Also Goff is top three in the league this year at avoiding sacks from pressure. So he both processes fast and isnāt afraid to turf it. So while people post that he only completes * balls under pressure, heās also not taking a 12 yard sack which kills a drive
Love is about to get 50 million. Purdy will as soon as he is eligibleā¦
Letās say we donāt extend Goff because we donāt want to pay. Hooker sits his year two in 2024. 2025 Goff walks and Hooker is starter. Best case scenario he is good. We stay a top 5-10 offense
After 2025 he will be eligible for a contract extension and he and his agent will expect it. So weāre paying him 50-60 million
We get one year of a starter on a cheap contract. Its not really a sustainable plan. Once teams have their guy they have to plan on paying the QB 10-20% of the cap. Itās the economics of the position. Teams have to plan to build their Oline and defense through depth and draft with select FAs
Unless thereās a new movement of a team becoming so QB friendly they refuse to pay any QB and start a new rookie every couple years, this is just the way it is
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