Harris Hinch Post Mortem Presser

I didn’t catch the part where Hinch spoke and maybe he didn’t and I didn’t quite get all of Harris but probably about a half hour.

Going to try to do a synopsis here

Addressing the bullpen was a combination of looking at how they couldn’t stay out of more high pressure situations and how they couldn’t get Finnegan on track all year to deal with high pressure situations and to similar degree with Jansen. Talked about preventing a number of those High pressure situations earlier in the game by playing cleaner baseball defensively and base running and not having so many tight games. He really did talk up the makeup of Finnegan as far as his Clubhouse personality and they expect him to be a Madman this offseason trying to fix it so reading between the lines he’s coming back and he’s under contract to do so so I imagine he’s still going to have a late inning role but probably not closer.

Said they’ll be a lot more change internally under the hood than what we’ll see in the roster most of it around how they strategize for the season as a GM and then implementing a little bit different strategy on the field as regards being more aggressive in stealing bases and preparing them better, but also specifically asked about the platooning and sounded like he said there will be less of that based on the life cycle of the players

Almost all the time he took the blame for the season and talked a lot about how he felt they really were not able to execute his personnel and play strategy from a death perspective where they thought they would have more depth on the team earlier than what ended up happening because the hitters didn’t quite develop as quickly as he thought they did and the injuries put them in a position to have to play guys that they didn’t expect to have to play or play other guys more often that were depth pieces and he didn’t say this but obviously those guys didn’t play well and it didn’t work out especially in May.

Likewise the starting staff injuries forced them to do the opposite of what the original plan was which was to take the young guys who were rehabbing early in the year and turn them into bullpen pieces mid-year and late in the year and instead they had to start converting relievers into starters and it also didn’t work in May specifically but overall didn’t work on either side of the ball the way he had set it up to work and then wasn’t able to adjust. In the off-season he said the priorities going to be to make sure that we have depth early that can step in if needed if there’s a repeat of all these injuries early in the season, so look for a much better AAA lineup and bench.

He said he expected Anderson Briceño and Hope specifically to be guys that contribute at the major league level next year and that they’ll come into camp knowing that they’ll be able to compete for jobs and the veterans will understand that they will be competing for their jobs in Camp this year as well and that’s an organizational strength.

Specific player wise he said that he expects Torkelson to be a guy to lead them back into the playoffs next year and that Keith’s versatility will continue to be a feature for him and that they need to get him ready to implement that versatility in case of injury both in the field and at bat. Dangler had an amazing season and a lot of what he does can be Quantified but there’s plenty of his value that can’t be Quantified that continued to shine through even when there wasn’t the same performance quantifiably and they expect him to get stronger and ask to play more games at catcher next year. Riley green centerpiece of this team would not go into anything about contract negotiations for him or any other player but it seemed clear that he’s the next guy up for an offer and basically a stay tuned type wink and a nod. No news on Melton’s entry status they said they haven’t gotten all the way through it yet and they’ll let us know when they know I’m not so sure that sounds very positive to be honest.

Says that the biggest improvements won’t come from the free agent Market or at least won’t be their main focus, though that was asked more in the context of the lineup. I think they will go out and address the closer situation. He did say he was surprised in the end about how he would have thought that Kenley would have locked down the high leverage situations and maybe struggled in low and medium and instead it was the opposite and especially the same for Finnegan to a greater degree.

Towards the end he spoke again how he thinks hinch is the best manager in baseball and has a great staff but they’re going to do a little work on how they go about preparing guys because the players are younger and how they go about approaching games without aggressiveness and a little bit of a nod to the excessive platooning, which seem to be what he laid at the doorstep of trying to mix and match a bunch of not great Alternatives that were put in hinch’s lap during the injury riddled 6 and 22 stretch which Harris took ownership of again by not having a better depth piece available thinking that the young guys would be those guys earlier in the season and they weren’t and thus didnt block thrm with mlb fa bench guys on ML or AAA roster.

Said he had no regrets about making those trades at the deadline and looking back and at that time both are the same in his mind as being the right call. Feels there’s a ton of talent coming up in waves and those three hitters mentioned are the next wave, and then there’s a wave after that which I’m going to assume includes Rainer and some of the pieces they got in the deadline trades. I would bet that Ryan is probably part of this next wave with the three hitters. When asked about it he said he would not share any details about any conversation she had with Skub about contracts either during the season before the season or at any point.

There was just a little bit of side I talk so to speak about having to stick with certain guys too long and I’m sure that meant Jones but all in all Harris took ownership of it and Hinch Barely said anything and really only when discussing Dinglers positive makeup

TL;DR

More young guys come up and theyr’ll be competition for jobs among guys already on the roster, they’ll do things internally and externally to fix the bullpen, and they will upgrade the depth.

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Thank you for the writeup! Great work! I really appreciate the breakdown.

I wish I had more faith in the future for the Tigers. It is so fun when they are good! However, based on the quote above, we are on the classic Tigers plan. Wait until the prospects are ready/get better. Maybe pick up a few mid-level guys or bullpen arms.

Maybe it’s just market reality, but for a team that was below .500 and 9 games out of the wild card spot, that is not very exciting. I hope I am wrong, and all these guys end up awesome. Just kind of dispiriting.

So the names and faces wont be the same but different this off season?

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Mize went 2-4 for the Padres with a 7.46 ERA and gave up 13 HRs in 44.2 innings vs just 5 HRs in 86.2 innings. The wheels literally fell off the wagon in a contract year.

The critics of the Tigers relative to the Mize trade deserve a large plate of crow.

Skubal did Skubal-like things (further removed from his injury). Went 5-2 with a 2.61 ERA for the Dodgers.

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I think we have to balance that with the historical perspective of there have only been three other teams in the past 50 years that have that high of a positive run differential with that bad of a record and each one of them ended up making the playoffs the year after. Basically they’re a better team than their record and they melted down badly all across the board in one month due to poor playing injuries and manager tinkering, and all across the season their relievers absolutely bit giant donkey balls in high pressure situations. I don’t think either are very likely to repeat themselves at least to the degree that they did this year.

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They aren’t far off. If they have even an average may they finish above .500. There’s talent there. The problem is not knowing if they ever develop into what they could be.

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More than half our starting lineup will have been replaced in just a little over a calender year if this happens. Replaced with good homegrown talent.

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It’ll be a little like romper room with all the kids running around.

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Biggest question mark will be pitching.

  1. SP
  2. BP
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Death to the loony platoony!

No more shitty toys!

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I’m impressed with Harris, he knows his team and what it needs to take the next step. He sounds like he eats, sleeps and lives for Tiger baseball. I like it!

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If MIze can get his groin issues figured out then someone’s gonna get a top line starting pitcher. Mize tweeked his groin 2 or 3 times this season and had to shorten up his delivery stretch in order to keep from re-injuring it. That clearly effected his performance the last half of the season.

It’ll be interesting to see how teams approach him this off season, or how Mize approaches it as well. Will he take a lower offer for long term stability or will he want more of a shorter prove it deal.

If he can get past these injuries I believe he has #1 pitcher potential on a lot of pitching rotations around the league.

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Welp, the rubber is about to meet the road for a few players and a few positions. I’m personally pretty darn excited to see how it all falls out. If all they did externally was address our BP/Closer roles I’d be just fine.

The Outfield is pretty much set. The only question is whether Hope can come in and steal that RF spot from Carp.

The Infield has plenty of options internally. It’s just a matter of who is gonna fit where. The competition is gonna be great to see play out. And I know at least one poster who will be very happy to see Anderson finally get his chance.

SP I think we role with what we got and let the top 5 figure itself out. Valdez, Jobe, Ryan, Montero, Melton, Olson seem to be the top 6 contenders for the starting 5. Do we think there’s a chance they go out to try to add another high end SP?

Either way, I’m ready for Spring Training all ready.

New hopes abound.

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Loooong story short is thry have $ to either fix the pen or resign Skub but not both unless they run back $240m in salary again, which isnt likely.

Given how close Hope/Briceno/MAnderson and.the emergence of Valencia, I dont see how a big bat signing fits.

3b- Keith? McG in prep for Rainer coming in 2028? SS-Does Javy stay? Peck looked too weak. Plenty of 2b/1b/C/DH options.

Malgeri do enough to be OF4? Vierling and McKinstry on the bubble with Javy? Parker Pipped? Perez’s Peeper Progressing?

Hinch on Sirius mlb in next hour or so.
@Weaselpuppy not sure i will be able to listen

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also have to account that uhh Lockout and both a cap floor and ceiling are likely being introduced which will be very massive.

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Listening now… will edit with running updates Hinch giving them the business about not wanting to have been available to talk to them right now vis a vis playoffs.

Talking through the Verlander last game and his daughter and his background with him here and in Houston.

JV never satisfied always improving, each pitch im bullpen has purpose.

Now gets to Harris talking about lack of depth amd how Hinch balanced that with young guys opportunities. Says that Harris took a lot of responsibility but we need to be better on the field even with all the injuries and how it cascaded in May. Meadows loss started thr loss of defensive plus at multiple places and depth of injuries at certsin positions and starters. Them pinch hitting didnt work and it did in 25….so work on staying out of as many leverage situations.

We did right the ship and get right up to the edge and then we ran out of gas again with more injuries and performance.

Host asks How do you play cleaner baseball like you talk about? Staff prep to shorten learning curve for young guys in transitioning to speed of mlb game and new positions. Increased game awareness and better game/situational awareness.

Going to use negatives like 15-27 1 run games and lost season seriws to all ALCentral as motivators.

Host asks how do you build pitching plan against playoff teams that have a platoon strategy…do you do it HvP matchup more or LvR? Hinch. Complicated but more HvP and pitch vulnerability over laat 2-3 months.

I think they have to add a SP, high end, not sure, preferably higher end than JV type. When I look at who they have for next year it’s a lot of talent but a lot of questions marks as well.

Framber, fix the first inning issue and he is good, will make his starts
Melton, Very talented but was injured last year and arm issues to finish this year. Reliable for full season, maybe but it’s 50/50
Jobe: Very Talented but again coming off injury and inning load will be an issue.
Ryan: Very Talented but again another guy with injury history, albeit different injuries but still question on durability and again inning load for the season
Olsen: Yea you got it Talented but injuries
Montero: talented and will make his starts

Then what? I think you run into depth issues that bit them in the ass this year.
As far as the answer to the then what on the roster:
Drew Anderson, Sommers, Madden, then further down Jacobs and guys added at the deadline. But also guys that could be in the pen.

Harris made a pointed comment about the young SP and RP in the system being in top seven in the minors for swing and miss stuff which has been a problem in Detroit. So they are correcting but not sure it will be in time to aid much for next season whatever next season is.