HC candidate Marvin Lewis

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I looked for a specific thread for Marvin Lewis and could not find it.
I asked THE MAN on comp picks (Nick Korte) for Lewis’s info and he was gracious enough to provide it.
(I will link the tweets at the end for reference.)
Under Marvin Lewis, the Bengals were eligible for “26 regular compensatory picks and 2 supplemental comp picks. The Bengals were also eligible for two picks that missed the 32 pick limit.”
The players that exited via FA that netted them the comp picks are listed
2003: supplemental 7th
2004: 4th (Takeo Spikes)
2007: 7th (net value)
2008: 3rd, 6th, 7th, 7th (Eric Steinbach, Kevin Kaesviharn, Kelley Washington, Anthony Wright)
2009: 3rd, 6th, 7th, 7th (Justin Smith, Landon Johnson, Bryan Robinson, Alex Stephanovich)
2010: 3rd, 4th (TJ Houshmanzadeh, Stacy Andrews)
2011: supplemental 7th
2013: 7th, 7th (Jerome Simpson, Mike McGlynn)
2014: 6th, 7th (Manny Lawson, Pat Sims) (A 7th for Brian Leonard failed to make the 32 pick limit)
2015: 3rd, 4th (Michael Johnson, Anthony Collins)
2016: none (A 7th for Marshall Newhouse failed to make the 32 pick limit)
2017: 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th (Marvin Jones, Mohamed Sanu, Reggie Nelson, Andre Smith)
2018: 3rd, 5th, 7th, 7th (Kevin Zeitler, Andrew Whitworth, Margus Hunt, Karlos Dansby)

This is the “novelty” that Quinn referenced. While the Lions were losing talent and replacing them with other failed free agents, teams like Green Bay, Seattle, Dallas, New England, Baltimore and Cincinnati are successful enough drafting that they’re able to let more guys walk each year than they sign, resulting in even more picks. I don’t think any moment in Quinn’s tenure outed him as inept as much as his referring to comp picks as a novelty, especially considering how much New England and a couple others were gaming the system with option years for the express purpose of scoring additional comp picks. I suppose when you know you’re not a good drafter, you don’t care how many chances you get at it? (Sorry, I didn’t mean for this to be a Quinn rant, this really is about Marvin Lewis.)

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And since I put this together once, I might as well share it:
Round | Name | Pick # | Position | years in NFL | 1st year | last year

2008
1 Keith Rivers 9 LB 6 2008 2014
2 Jerome Simpson 46 WR 7 2008 2015
3 Pat Sims 77 DT 10 2008 2017
3 Andre Caldwell 97 WR 8 2008 2015
4 Anthony Collins 112 T 7 2008 2014
5 Jason Shirley 145 DT 2 2008 2011
6 Corey Lynch 177 DB 6 2008 2013
6 Matt Sherry 207 TE
7 Angelo Craig 244 LB
7 Mario Urrutia 246 WR
2009
1 Andre Smith 6 T 11 2009 2019
2 Rey Maualuga 38 LB 9 2009 2017
3 Michael Johnson 70 DE 10 2009 2018
3 Chase Coffman 98 TE 6 2010 2016
4 Jonathan Luigs 106 C 1 2009 2009
5 Kevin Huber 142 P 12 2009 2020
6 Morgan Trent 179 DB 3 2009 2011
6 Bernard Scott 209 RB 5 2009 2013
7 Fui Vakapuna 215 RB
7 Clinton McDonald 249 DT 10 2010 2019
7 Freddie Brown 252 WR
2010
1 Jermaine Gresham 21 TE 9 2010 2018
2 Carlos Dunlap 54 DE 11 2010 2020
3 Jordan Shipley 84 WR 3 2010 2012
3 Brandon Ghee 96 DB 5 2010 2014
4 Geno Atkins 120 DT 11 2010 2020
4 Roddrick Muckelroy 131 LB 2 2010 2012
5 Otis Hudson 152 T 1 2012 2012
6 Dezmon Briscoe 191 WR 3 2010 2012
7 Reggie Stephens 228 C 1 2012 2012
2011
1 A.J. Green 4 WR 9 2011 2020
2 Andy Dalton 35 QB 10 2011 2020
3 Dontay Moch 66 LB 3 2012 2014
4 Clint Boling 101 G 8 2011 2018
5 Robert Sands 134 DB 2 2011 2012
6 Ryan Whalen 167 WR 3 2011 2013
7 Korey Lindsey 207 DB 1 2012 2012
7 Jay Finley 246 RB
2012
1 Dre Kirkpatrick 17 DB 9 2012 2020
1 Kevin Zeitler 27 G 9 2012 2020
2 Devon Still 53 DT 4 2012 2016
3 Mohamed Sanu 83 WR 9 2012 2020
3 Brandon Thompson 93 DT 4 2012 2015
4 Orson Charles 116 TE 6 2012 2018
5 Shaun Prater 156 DB 4 2012 2015
5 Marvin Jones 166 WR 8 2012 2020
5 George Iloka 167 DB 8 2012 2020
6 Dan Herron 191 RB 4 2012 2015
2013
1 Tyler Eifert 21 TE 8 2013 2020
2 Giovani Bernard 37 RB 8 2013 2020
2 Margus Hunt 53 DE 8 2013 2020
3 Shawn Williams 84 DB 8 2013 2020
4 Sean Porter 118 LB 2 2014 2016
5 Tanner Hawkinson 156 T 3 2013 2015
6 Rex Burkhead 190 RB 8 2013 2020
6 Cobi Hamilton 197 WR 3 2014 2017
7 Reid Fragel 240 OL 2 2014 2015
7 T.J. Johnson 251 C 4 2014 2017
2014
1 Darqueze Dennard 24 DB 7 2014 2020
2 Jeremy Hill 55 RB 5 2014 2018
3 Will Clarke 88 DE 5 2014 2018
4 Russell Bodine 111 C 5 2014 2018
5 A.J. McCarron 164 QB 7 2014 2020
6 Marquis Flowers 212 LB 4 2014 2018
7 James Wright 239 WR 2 2014 2016
7 Lavelle Westbrooks 252 DB
2015
1 Cedric Ogbuehi 21 T 6 2015 2020
2 Jake Fisher 53 T 4 2015 2018
3 Tyler Kroft 85 TE 6 2015 2020
3 Paul Dawson 99 ILB 3 2015 2017
4 Josh Shaw 120 CB 4 2015 2018
4 Marcus Hardison 135 DE
5 C.J. Uzomah 157 TE 6 2015 2020
6 Derron Smith 197 S 3 2015 2017
7 Mario Alford 238 WR 2 2015 2016
2016
1 William Jackson III 24 CB 4 2017 2020
2 Tyler Boyd 55 WR 5 2016 2020
3 Nick Vigil 87 ILB 5 2016 2020
4 Andrew Billings 122 NT 3 2017 2019
5 Christian Westerman 161 G 2 2017 2018
6 Cody Core 199 WR 4 2016 2019
7 Clayton Fejedelem 245 S 5 2016 2020
2017
1 John Ross 9 WR 4 2017 2020
2 Joe Mixon 48 RB 4 2017 2020
3 Jordan Willis 73 OLB 4 2017 2020
4 Carl Lawson 116 OLB 4 2017 2020
4 Josh Malone 128 WR 4 2017 2020
4 Ryan Glasgow 138 DT 4 2017 2020
5 Jake Elliott 153 K 4 2017 2020
5 JJ Dielman 176 C
6 Jordan Evans 193 LB 4 2017 2020
6 Brandon Wilson 207 RB 4 2017 2020
7 Mason Schreck 251 TE 3 2018 2020
2018
1 Billy Price 21 C 3 2018 2020
2 Jessie Bates III 54 S 3 2018 2020
3 Sam Hubbard 77 DE 3 2018 2020
3 Malik Jefferson 78 OLB 3 2018 2020
4 Mark Walton 112 RB 2 2018 2019
5 Davontae Harris 151 CB 3 2018 2020
5 Andrew Brown 158 DE 2 2019 2020
5 Darius Phillips 170 CB 3 2018 2020
7 Logan Woodside 249 QB 1 2020 2020
7 Rod Taylor 252 G
7 Auden Tate 253 WR 3 2018 2020
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I think it should be clear that I’m super on-board with Marvin Lewis. And, unlike many coaches, he should get a fair bit of credit for their drafting.

However, the comp picks are probably as much due to Mike Brown’s unwillingness to pay free agents as anything else. I suspect that Marv would have paid more of his guys if given the opportunity.

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Yes, the stinginess is part of it. But, it only works if they’re able to grow their own. Also, they’re restricted by the same cap as everyone else. They were spending their money largely on home-grown talent.

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Wonder why Lewis didn’t get any NFL nibbles in the years since he left Cincy?

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Because many teams are idiots and would rather roll the dice on the lottery ticket hot coordinator name.

Marvin isn’t going to know what to do with a team that actually keeps his good players when their contract is up.

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He’s among my top choices for sure. Marvin Lewis was a more accomplished version of Robert Saleh before doing some pretty impressive things as a HC.

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If I’m Chris Spielman, I ask Marvin Lewis about this game in the interview.

His take on what happened, and why. How the culture Lewis had in Cincinnati contributed to it.

It’s still the most egregious thing I’ve ever seen in football. Two Bengals players deciding their own stupidity mattered more than their team getting a home playoff win against their arch-rival.

(The whole thing is worth watching, but the moment of full implosion starts at 11:40 or so.)

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I love the idea of Marvin Lewis being HC here. Players loved him and he seemed to get the most out of them.

That said, his teams were SUPER undisciplined.

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I’m surprised at the Marvin Lewis love in here…

I’m not sure he’s a guy that can get you over the top.

He can get us respectable but imo that’s about it.

His playoff record speaks for itself.

I’d be disappointed if he’s the guy

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I’ll settle for that and a handful of banners to hang in that beautiful stadium of theirs. We’ll worry about getting over the hump when things aren’t in the shambles they’ve been since Barry left.

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Mike McCarthy was faced with having Andy Dalton as his starter. It didn’t end well. Marvin’s best non-Andy Dalton team was with Carson Palmer, when the Steelers took out Carson’s knee on the first drive of the game. Even when people bring up the other game where he had the Steelers on the ropes and a couple of knuckleheads gave the game away at the end…he did all of that with his backup QB. As mediocre as Andy is, he didn’t play that game…it was the backup QB. Marvin had the Steelers on the ropes in a playoff game with his backup QB. We couldn’t even beat the Redskins in a regular season game who had the #2 overall pick in the draft with our backup QB. They had a backup head coach. The QB of the Redskins was so unused to winning in the NFL that he was busy taking selfies on the sideline and another QB had to go out and kill the clock.

But yeah, some bad player decisions were made at the end of that playoff game.

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I actually look at the knucklehead situation differently than most. IMO you can bring a talented jackass or two and Marvin can more or less make it work. Most coaches aren’t even willing to try.

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If the Lions had the worst owner in the league, Lewis coached forever for the most penny-pinching owner.

It would be interesting to see what he could do with a franchise willing to do, and spend, whatever it took to win.

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I actually think he’s underrated and deserves another chance.

I like Saleh and Lewis both. I’d be happy with either but I think Saleh is our main target.

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I think you’re right. I think it’s Saleh. I’m fine with it.

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I agree with most here. I would be fine with Lewis as head coach, even though he doesn’t have a “winning” track record. What I see with Lewis is, he was saddled with a very difficult situation, with a team that was a yearly doormat, and he molded them into a competitive team that still did their share of winning, and he found ways to make things work. His players like him, he is consistent, and he figures out how to make the best of what he has. That’s a very underrated skill. A lot of people can win or succeed when they have everything they want. Few can succeed when they have to improvise and come up with a new plan on their own.

The headline for his Wiki article really says the plusses and minuses for Lewis. Lewis won division titles in a division including Pittsburgh and Baltimore, two teams that had Super Bowl runs and we know they are sustained winners. That’s pretty impressive. He also took over a bottom feeder and turned them into a division title winner in 3 seasons. Also very impressive. I think Lewis fits a lot of what Detroit needs. He isn’t my #1 candidate, but I would not be upset with him at all.

From Wiki:
Lewis’ head coaching tenure oversaw improved fortunes for the struggling Bengals and helped transform the team into postseason contenders. At the time of his hiring, the Bengals had not had a winning season or postseason appearance since 1990 and finished with a franchise-worst 2–14 record. Within his third season, Lewis ended both droughts and led the Bengals to their first AFC North division title in fifteen years. Lewis subsequently guided the Bengals to seven playoff appearances and four division titles, along with a franchise-best five consecutive postseason appearances from 2011 to 2015. He holds the record for most wins as a Bengals head coach at 131 and was named Coach of the Year by the Associated Press in 2009, the first Bengals coach since team founder Paul Brown in 1970 to receive the honor.[1]

While credited with returning the Bengals to respectability, Lewis’ reputation was affected by a lack of postseason success and he was ultimately unable to lead the team to a playoff win. His 131 regular season victories, 16 years as a head coach, and seven postseason losses are the most of NFL head coaches who have not won a playoff game

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Easy,

My owner was cheap as hell so I to take on head cases who would take less to play and hope they didn’t kill each other

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I think the other easy answer is that it’s players like those who enabled the Bengals to be in the playoffs and have a shot of beating Pittsburgh with their frickin’ backup QB instead of sitting at home and watching from the couch like the Lions have been.

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Right, I mean dude is being knocked for nearly winning a playoff game with AJ McCarron.