James Webb telescope

It’s just the opposite. The math makes it near 100% likely.

Whatever you said the odds at, we will get there because there are trillions of real time experiments going on/in the earth at all times.

If the conditions are right, life happens on it’s own.

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Jesus Christ, did he exist?
IYO, a good man? A Prophet? A Liar?

Or a poet.

I have no idea if he existed. But if someone did exist who they called Jesus then I suspect he is no different than Jospeh Smith telling good yarns about finding the golden plates. I don’t like to be so cynical because I understand that people want to believe and I hold no grudges or ill will toward them. I really don’t. But it becomes harder to fully digest religion as a concrete possibility as scientific breakthroughs continue. I guess I separate God, or a supreme being, from religion. I could certainly get behind the idea of a god like entity that created the universe but I have a hard time following the religious aspect of it. I don’t know how the universe or life started and neither does anyone else. Are we one of trillions of universes? But the answer always comes down to, well where did the first universe come from? From that aspect you could also ask if there was nothing then where did god come from? It’s the greatest philosophical debate that will never be answered…unless god makes a personal appearance. Even then it would most likely be dismissed as “fake news”.

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I understand. No one can argue that Jesus Christ did live. It is proven historical fact.
I wish every doubter would take some time to learn of Him.

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To each his own and I don’t mean to offend. But I did have many years of catechism and went to a Catholic Church every week until my mid teens. So I do know the stories but in my mind, that’s all they are.

He did. He’s mentioned in roman documents once I believe. I think he was a hippy dippy dude that preached love everyone, follow god your own way and don’t succumb to organized religion, turn the other cheek etc. Basically a pacifist and good dude. His message was a threat to the religious machine at the time so they had the government (romans) take care of him.

all of the supernatural stuff he supposedly did? no mention of it aside of the game of telephone, written decades or centuries after he died. You’re going to tell me a guy that can heal people wouldn’t have been taken right to rome for caesar?

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No offense taken! I also was raised a Catholic. I have come to despise religion myself.
Once I discovered who Jesus was and why He came, I became a follower of Christ. Religion is man made and most are in it for the $$. When/If you read the books of the Epistles, you will understand the message of Jesus and His gospel with much more clarity.
We will spend an eternity somewhere, the choice is ours.
Peace my friend.

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Peace to you as well brother.

I’m just happy that with this marvelous telescope that we can “see” and analyze events that happened 13 billion years before the birth of Jesus, Buddha, and a few others. :cowboy_hat_face: :cowboy_hat_face: :cowboy_hat_face:

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oh religion is absolutely man made, especially the Abrahamic one. stress ‘man’ made, look how horrible women are treated, because they’re basically chattel.

but the biggest way to figure out that they’re man made is the sheer amount of them across all different cultures with not one appearance by any of them. except maybe the sun. there. worship that. but not too much or you’ll get cancer.

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I think it warrants explanation how one religion can be especially man-made versus the others.

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And if they were truly into facts, they would have to settle on some explanation for why he was seen after his crucifixion.

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ETA (I’ll strike my snarky comment)

This take indicates more research is necessary. :slight_smile:

I don’t know much about religion. What I do know is that I was dying of alcoholism and drug addiction in 2001. I was hopeless. I ended up in AA. I remain active in 12-step recovery to this day and enjoy a life second to none after 21 years of continuous sobriety.

AA taught me the importance of the always-open-mind. I didn’t want to believe in Jesus. I just wanted to do what I wanted to do. But the Hound of Heaven tracked me down. He saved me. I believe in Him and His claim to be God because I’ve know Him- personally, spiritually. This open mindedness led me to give an honest read and listen of three things that broke down my resistance and led me to choose to believe and to follow Jesus.
1.) The Case for Christ- book written by Yale law graduate and Chicago Tribune investigative reporter Lee Strobel. He was aghast when his wife declared an actual faith in Christ. He set out to disprove Jesus’ claims and the accounts of His life. Instead of disproving those claims Strobel came to a faith in Christ himself.
2.) Billy Graham’s 18-minute tour de force on the question; “Who was Jesus?!” Greatest sermon ever preached IMO

3.) The Chosen- 2 season series available in the App Store or Prime Video. Starts a little slowly but when the Carpenter shows up at the end of episode 1, the series becomes tremendously compelling. It cuts through dry scriptural accounts of who he was and what he did. With a little creative license, The Chosen presents an accessible, relatable Savior of the World who jokes and laughs and serves and changes the world.

I know very little. What I do know is that I was lost and now I am found. I was a prisoner and now I’m free. And the same man who is the subject in each of these 3 media is who took hold of me, and delivered me from bondage, and made me a free man.

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Given how ghastly the Apostles were tortured and executed, it would seem one would break ranks and blow the whistle on the scam.

Any one of us, certainly at least one of us in this discussion, regardless of persuasion, would likely break, right? I’d bet everything I own that if we had a shared, agreed upon secret, and were tortured, one would spill it.

If you don’t, well, youre fooling yourself, in that regard and likely then others.

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You bet your sweet ass!!
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I can read hundreds of stories about Santa Claus. Over time, certain characteristics and story lines start to be accepted as the truth.

I can even show some historical context showing that the stories are loosely based on a real life person.

That being said, none of the stories are going to convince me that Santa Claus is real.

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False equivalence.

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Santa Claus Reaction GIF by Robert E Blackmon

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