Jeff Risdon on Edge for Draft

[wolfcub36]

I’m torn. on one hand you can stand pat at 6 and just take your picks BUT we are still waiting to see what the teams in front of us steal and take from us-before we get to pick, ok.
then, if we trade down to 9, we have to wait longer yet , while the AR’s and Bijan’s , and The Spoons are cherry picked and maybe one of the best players in this draft before we get to choose. And most likely any extra picks would be for 2024, and not this draft .

[Mr.Peabody]

@sin2au

I could make the SAME argument drafting Dijon or Gonzalez at #6, as I could at #18, for either player. Am pretty sure this thought has crossed Brad’s mind as well, if he truly believes Dijon is a “Generational Back”, whatever that definition means. Today, that may be defined as the “Best”, at the individual player’s position in the last 5 years for running backs, generally speaking.

I would speculate Holmes has to weigh, what is the likelihood Bijon will be available at #18? Will some other NFL team draft Bijon between #7 & #17? Phil? A REAL Risk, IMO. If Bijon gets by Phil at #10, there will be much less risk some other team will draft Bijon prior to #18, baring unforseen trades.

Therefore, IMO, Holmes would be better advised to take the “Best” CB in his eyes, assuming he goes the CB route, crosses his fingers, Bijon will still be on the board at #18, assuming Phil goes in another direction besides RB at #10, likely, but not guaranteed. In summary, it’s virtually certain Holmes will take at least 1 CB in the 1st Round, either at #6 without a trade down or hopefully with a trade down a few places, all the way to #18.

Dream Outcome if Holmes is determined to acquire Bijon is a CB & Bijon in Round One, order unimportant. Whether you prefer Witherspoon or Gonzalez or Porter is individual taste. I prefer Gonzalez, less handsy/PI at the NFL level, IMO. Bijon’s attributes could be similar to Gurley in Holmes’s mind. TBD.

Really good goalpost.

[farmerted]

@TNutZz

AR would be an interesting pick at 6. They have been building a run-pass balance play action offense with BJ and Goff that is successful. The best use of AR would be out of shotgun to take advantage of RPO

https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1583127653384699909?s=20

[Richard_Parker]

@LionFrog

@sin2au

, if he truly believes Dijon is a “Generational Back”

If you have a shot at a generational talent, and you don’t take him because of tradition, you’re stupid.
Yes, that would also go for a QB, but, there’s no QB even close to that in this draft.
Say, Barry Sanders was there at 6oa, you’re telling me you wouldn’t take him because you don’t believe in using first round picks on RB’s?
Welcome to eternal sucktitude.

One of the few things I agree 100 percent with you on Frog

[Davicus]

I mean, other than Anderson, I wouldn’t want an edge at #6. I’m not as sold on Wilson or Murphy at #6 as some are - at least not at #6.

Give me Witherspoon all day. He gives me Jim Scwartz reactions.

[CuriousHusker]

I more or less agree. Risdon seems to be implying that they wouldn’t even take Will which I have a hard time believing

[Davicus]

@CuriousHusker

Risdon seems to be implying that they wouldn’t even take Will which I have a hard time believing

The only way I can see them passing on Anderson if he is there is if someone wants to move up to get him. No way can you pass on him, in my opinion. But hey, I’m not an NFL GM.

[3rdRGR]

Well, if I had a dollar for every time a pundit was dead wrong, I’d be rich. Do you reach over not one, not two, but quite possibly THREE EDGE players that are better than Bresee or Gonzales or Witherspoon? They’d be passing over two Olineman in addition to that and one to two QBs. I mean how far down the board do you go? If they can dump RO and CH and get younger, cheaper and better, I’d bet they’d do it. Now if we are trading down or taking a QB then ok. But I don’t think they are going to take the #14 player on their board at 6 because they are stacked at EDGE. My last mock went Wilson/Simpson/Forbes/Gibbs/Vorhees with our top 5 picks. They all start day one.

[DefendTheDen]

@TNutZz

It would also be a career risk for Holmes. If you draft a QB at six they will be playing by year two. Period. Hard stop

You aren’t going to pay someone 30 million to be a backup that you might trade. If they draft AR at 6OA he will be the next Lions QB. End of story

It would force their hand to trade or let Goff walk and before that would welcome all kinds of QB controversy. Every bad to marginal play would create a cacophony of howling for AR regardless of whether he is ready or not

If they traded Goff or let him walk and AR stayed the inaccurate, often injured, inconsistent QB he was in college and Goff continues to play at a Pro Bowl level it would be a giant misstep by Holmes. Not sure he wants to put his credibility on display so brazenly while we are finishing our rebuild

Bravo bravo my friend. Could not have said it any better.

[CuriousHusker]

I do not believe Brad would be risking his career by taking Richardson. He has job security and this whole organization is about collaboration and character. If we do take Richardson everyone is on board with the pick and nobody is blaming Brad if it doesn’t work out.

I think we’re one of the few organizations in which the GM could make the pick without job security concerns.

Still don’t think we take him though.

[Mr.Peabody]

@Davicus

I mean, other than Anderson, I wouldn’t want an edge at #6. I’m not as sold on Wilson or Murphy at #6 as some are - at least not at #6.

Give me Witherspoon all day. He gives me Jim Scwartz reactions.

Murphy and Wilson would add something to the rotation. Will Anderson would just function to take snaps away from James Houston.

[Mr.Peabody]

@3rdRGR

Well, if I had a dollar for every time a pundit was dead wrong, I’d be rich. Do you reach over not one, not two, but quite possibly THREE EDGE players that are better than Bresee or Gonzales or Witherspoon? They’d be passing over two Olineman in addition to that and one to two QBs. I mean how far down the board do you go? If they can dump RO and CH and get younger, cheaper and better, I’d bet they’d do it. Now if we are trading down or taking a QB then ok. But I don’t think they are going to take the #14 player on their board at 6 because they are stacked at EDGE. My last mock went Wilson/Simpson/Forbes/Gibbs/Vorhees with our top 5 picks. They all start day one.

I don’t think the edge players are better than Gonzeles at his position. I agree with you in theory though.

[Davicus]

@Mr.Peabody

Murphy and Wilson would add something to the rotation. Will Anderson would just function to take snaps away from James Houston.

Sure, I’m not saying they wouldn’t. I’m just not as sold on them as some others are to the point where I would take them at #6 is all. And when it comes to Anderson vs. Houston, Anderson is a MUCH better player all around. You don’t have to take him off the field. Houston is still just a third down flamethrower. If I’m a GM, I’m not passing up Will Anderson because I have James Houston. Some might, but I’m not.

[Mr.Peabody]

@Davicus

@Mr.Peabody

Murphy and Wilson would add something to the rotation. Will Anderson would just function to take snaps away from James Houston.

Sure, I’m not saying they wouldn’t. I’m just not as sold on them as some others are to the point where I would take them at #6 is all. And when it comes to Anderson vs. Houston, Anderson is a MUCH better player all around. You don’t have to take him off the field. Houston is still just a third down flamethrower. If I’m a GM, I’m not passing up Will Anderson because I have James Houston. Some might, but I’m not.

Anderson is just as light in the britches as Houston. You are literally just putting a taller, leaner Houston without the bend on the field when it comes to Anderson. He is barely over 240 lbs and plays like it.

Anderson had a running start on Bijan Robinson and Bijan stopped him dead in his tracks on a pass block.

[LionFrog]

@Richard_Parker

One of the few things I agree 100 percent with you on Frog

It was bound to happen.

[Mr.Peabody]

I have never heard Jeff Risdon speak in real life until this week. Now I want to have a beer with him. He seems like a fun guy.

[stephenboyd57]

@LionFrog

Say, Barry Sanders was there at 6oa, you’re telling me you wouldn’t take him because you don’t believe in using first round picks on RB’s?

While I take Barry for sure. Barry’s final year at OSU he had close to double the rushing yards Robinson had last year and more than double the TD’s. Barry was absolutely insane.

And I was watching the Robinson tape vs Alabama from this past season, and I gotta say it wasn’t anything special. Sure it was just 1 game, but I want to see how top players perform vs top schools. I came away from the game thinking shit that #31 on Bama is really freaken good. Check out the Bama game in week 2 and see what you think.

[Mr.Peabody]

@stephenboyd57

@LionFrog

Say, Barry Sanders was there at 6oa, you’re telling me you wouldn’t take him because you don’t believe in using first round picks on RB’s?

While I take Barry for sure. Barry’s final year at OSU he had close to double the rushing yards Robinson had last year and more than double the TD’s. Barry was absolutely insane.

And I was watching the Robinson tape vs Alabama from this past season, and I gotta say it wasn’t anything special. Sure it was just 1 game, but I want to see how top players perform vs top schools. I came away from the game thinking shit that #31 on Bama is really freaken good. Check out the Bama game in week 2 and see what you think.

So you watched him streaking down the sidelines and adjust to an underthrown ball with an effortless 360 spin and snatch it out of the air like a top receiver and thought “meh.”

[stephenboyd57]

@Mr.Peabody

So you watched him streaking down the sidelines and adjust to an underthrown ball with an effortless 360 spin and snatch it out of the a top receiver and thought “meh.”

Yea i saw that play. It was darn good, that was about it though for good plays. I just didn’t see him making many guys miss or breaking tackles, which I was expecting to see for such a highly hyped back.

I watched this last night… it’s every play Bijan had vs Bama. Judge for yourself.

Bijan Robinson (Texas RB #5) Vs. Alabama 2022

[QBHATER90]

@coyote12

I heard this I will also say same guy said no way Lions take a QB early either.

Sorry, I’m not following, who is the GUY who said they lions won’t take a qb early?

@LionFrog

The way I read his post was that the Lions were going to trade pick 6 where the team we trade with will take AR at 6.

Jeff was on Woodward sports yesterday and said in a scenario where say the panthers are trying to trade up and they offered multiple first and a 3rd or something he would take the trade over taking the qb of his choice at 6 int he scenario that WW asked him. Lots of options all interesting. Wouldn’t bet against him in this one about DE’s.

If I was a betting man. I would look at OL, SECONDARY, QB for the 2 first round picks this year .

https://twitter.com/jeffrisdon/status/1626958874509996033?s=46&t=XboDkKX8Jm7Hkj7ZNOSWrw