*This is huge, as we get close to signing our young core, think about having to throw $60M out the window for dead cap hits!
Thank You Brad/Mike!
Yea $15.73m. as it stands right now.
nothing!
āAs of the start of the offseason, the Lions rank 23rd in dead cap obligations for the upcoming season. Detroit has just $1.43 million in dead money for 2024. Nearly all of it comes from two players: Marvin Jones ($800,000) and Isaiah Buggs ($500,000). Chase Lucas adds on just under $50,000, with the rest coming from signing bonuses for undrafted rookies who didnāt make the team.ā
The void contracts havent been added yet. Vaiti, glasgow, CJGJ etc
āThere is the potential for the Lions to add some more with some pending roster decisions. Guys like Tracy Walker, Halapoulivaati Vaitai and Romeo Okwara would add a lot of dead cap to the tally if theyāre removed from the roster.ā
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Vaitai and Okwara? Risdonā¦I have some news for youā¦
Those void years in their contracts will result in dead cap when theyāre gone.
Is 10 mil āalmost no deadā? I donāt know if Iād term it that way, but thatās where weāll be sitting pretty soon.
Yeah, he must be pulling his numbers from OTC, because Spotrac shows the void contracts. Sloppy.
Spotrac is terrible for getting things wrong. OTC has the dead contracts, you just have to know how to read the contracts table. I just donāt think Risdon understands contracts.
$14,301,529 by my spreadsheet on void years, plus the $1,431,310 in already accrued dead cap is $15,732,839. Far stretch from the āalmost zeroā Risdon states. This is also why I donāt read Lions Wire.
Iāve got 14,301,528 in void years totals. That sound about right?
Sounds right!
Youāre considering Glasgow as Dead if heās re-signed?
I used to think anything under $5m was a good dead cap number.
Getting to that level and staying there is not easy ā and may not be desirableā could just mean youāre hanging onto players you shouldnāt.
I didnāt click through but it sounds like +/- $15m is the league average.
So, below $15m is a good number
I mean, heās currently not re-signed, so heās dead to me! (for now!)
Iām not sure whether you can roll a void year into a new deal or whether itās just a sunken resource that is its own animal. Logic suggests that you could roll it in, but for what purpose? Thatās already money owed to Glasgow, itās like an IOU slip you give someone, they arenāt just going to say, Yeah itās all good, you know? He might defer the amount, plus a little extra for his trouble, in void years on a new deal though? I think it will be interesting to examine.
As far as Iām aware, Grahamās $1,470,000 that is he owed for his void year is non-negotiable to be fully paid out in 2024. Itās part of a pro-rated signing bonus that really canāt be moved. In an extension, this number isnāt going to change at all. Any additional money paid to Graham will be on top of that.
True, but you could end up with a de facto deferment if he elects to take that amount less in the first year of his deal, thus kicking the can down the road. Should the Lions resign any of these guys, it will be interesting to examine what the end of their contract looks like.
Just to clarify, that is hypothetically based on seeing void year/years in a new deal with an amount in excess of 1.47 million.
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True, but you could end up with a de facto deferment if he elects to take that amount less in the first year of his deal, thus kicking the can down the road. Should the Lions resign any of these guys, it will be interesting to examine what the end of their contract looks like.
Oh sure, and I wouldnāt be surprised if thatās what they did. I was just commenting on that prorated salary he is already owed for 204 being unmovable.