Would you have given up what the Bears did for Mack? I was all for us trading whatever we could for him back whenever he was having contract issues with the Raiders, and I definitely would’ve pulled the trigger and payed him in hindsight. I just thought of this idea and wondered if there was anyone on this board who wouldn’t have done the deal and why?
If we had given up the same picks that the Bears did, we wouldn’t have Hockenson, Okudah, Julian Okwara, and a 6th round 2019 pick that the Bears moved. We would have gotten Mack, and probably Cole Kmet or Jaylen Johnson with the Raiders 2nd round pick (who happened to be the two players the Bears took in the second round) because those were the best players available at the positions we took in the first round. We also probably wouldn’t have Swift because we would have used that pick elsewhere, but I don’t know that for sure.
Another thing is that Mack would have definitely won at least a game for us, moving us in the draft, so those players might not have been available, but I would do the deal with those players.
No deal for me, brother.
Mack is a superior talent, but when you just have the one guy, defenses learn to scheme around him (see his production last year vs the year before).
Okudah, because of the position he plays, won’t have at the same impact on he game that Mack does, but he has a chance to be as good a player (so hard to compare a CB to a LB). We don’ have a crystal ball, so we don’t won’t know for at least 2-3 years. Okwara has a chance to be very good. Hoch, if he stays healthy, will surprise people. This year, the offense will be much more open, with a healthy Stafford and a healthy run game
I appears this trade is essentially 2019 1st rd. pick RB Jacobs and now 2020 1st rd. pick CB Arnette. There were other pieces involved but this is really the big sticks as they are the two 1st rd. picks used by the Raiders for Mack. The Raiders also received ap room too.
Mack is 29 years old and is under contract through 2024 meaning Mack is locked down through his 33rd birthday. Mack has had 21 sacks in his 2 seasons in Chicago playing in 30 games. The Bears have been 20-12 in those two seasons with a playoff loss to the Eagles in 2018 when they went 12-4.
RB Josh Jacobs was fantastic in 2019 with 1,150 yards in 13 games and 7 TDs.
With all that in mind…I think the Bears won this trade. In 2018 the Bears were 1st in lowest point allowed and that Bears defense was GREAT. Get them to the playoffs great. And the Raiders got a RB and a CB considered a reach by most.
Give me Mack in this deal overall even with the amount of cap space he is taking down.
You can’t look at the players, just the picks and who was available. Replace Arnette (who was a reach) with Chaisson, Jefferson or Ruiz and I think the trade was pretty equal. The Bears thought they were one player away and Turbisky was the answer, they were wrong. That being said, Mack is a HUGE asset, Ithink he’s a top 5 defensive player in the league. If I had a choice between him and Hockenson/Okudah, I would pick him… but those wouldn’t be the players we drafted if I was the GM… I’d be more like choosing between Brian Burns/Andrew Thomas and Mack, which would be a much different choice.
I don’t think the Bears thought they were one player away. I think the Bears believed they needed an elite defensive player that can change a game. Mack was available and the Bears benefited with a division title and a home playoff game in which they lost.
Keep in mind that we have more cap space than most teams. I’m not good with money numbers and the way cap hits work in the NFL, so does anyone know if we have the room now for Mack’s contract?
If I was a Bears fan I wouldn’t have been happy at the time the deal was made
And I disagreed with people here who wished we could have “nice things”
I’ve said this so many times but nobody seems to agree — Other than QB, you don’t sink huge resources into players (eg CJ)
Dumping major resources into players is far too risky— in the long run you’ll be worse off and in the near term you elevate roster risk — the risk your roster talent will diminish by injury. One injury, to a high-priced talent ends up being more than you can absorb
Khalil Mack would transform this defense much like he did the Bears. Our secondary with a QB assassin like Mack would be unbelievable. I’d give up two firsts for an elite pass rusher like Bosa right now easily.
It was a great trade. Anytime you can trade draft picks for an All Pro game changer, it is a good idea. The Bears offense (Trubisky) let the team down. They had a QB on a rookie contract so they could pay the defense. The defense did everything you could want it to. Had the Bears selected Mahomes or Watson in that draft, they would have had a great shot at winning multiple Super Bowls.
This just goes to show you how having the correct QB is to winning in the NFL.
In hindsight, I do the trade. No need for Okwara if we have Mack so that doesn’t hurt and is an upgrade talent wise at one of the few positions we use to blitz. In fact Mack is also superior against the run and is ready to impact the game right now, with no OJT necessary. Hock? Lol, we could have replaced him with any number of combo TE options and been just fine IMO. Heck our UDFA TE we took this year could have been a great option for us as a starter (#sad). The one that hurts is Okudah, but without those draft picks, we also probably invest more in FA to offset and could probably could have found a solution there as well. Not crying over it, but in hindsight, yes, Mack is a Lion.
There are 8 active QBs that have won the SB. Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Brady, Brees, and Wilson are shoo ins for the HOF. Mahomes is the best QB in the league.
Foles and Flacco are the other 2. Obviously that is some pretty good company.
I think this is the end of the line for Trubisky unless he starts playing like a competent NFL QB.
Yep. We had a franchise QB and franchise LT so we were in a much better position to make the deal for Mack solidifying the golden three positions. We put the money into Flowers instead and sorry but Flowers is no Kalil Mack.
He would have played in Kennard’s spot. No way to screw that up. Go get the QB. He would have studded out here in spite of MP’s scheme. What we really have to do, and have done to some extent is make the key positions so talented, that it works regardless of MP unfortunately. Really hope Hand comes back right this year, and that there is another splash signing at pass rusher prior to the season.
Patricia is the coach, he’s supposed to be the smartest guy in the room. Mack fits any system that lets him get after the QB, but you’re probably right, an NFL head coach that has been a defensive coordinator for one of the great all time dynasties probably couldn’t figure it out. Now who’s trying to be the smartest guy in the room?
