With explanations again. You inspired me.
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I see him as a weakside LB in a 4-3 myself. I think he’d fit best there then be able to move around and blitz. He is obviously a projection because he hasn’t played a ton there. I do prefer some other players and at that position I would prefer Hill Jr. first, but I do like him and it wouldn’t be totally out of bounds to draft him in the mid second IMO.
I think I want Bain most so we can wear the Bane masks at FF
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Nobody loves 7th rounders and UDFA more then you and @coyote12
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I don’t see the COD necessary to hang at WILL personally, just check out the way BYU abused him by showing him RPOs one direction then hammering him the other way. He just couldn’t keep up. I also don’t think he covers that well, he runs pretty well but yowza, the panic at the catch point is something else. It’s Chris Houston-esque.
Personally I think he’s best served as a MIKE or SAM long-term, but it’s really hard to say based on his tape, their defense was just so janky and his job 75% of the time was just to attack the b-gap to stop RPOs. Over and over and over again. He’s like an overhang LB who didn’t actually overhang, he started off-ball but hit the same gap every play so in effect he acted like the overhang defender. I called him Drew Sanders 2.0, but mostly because he’s the only guy I ever saw used in a similar way that often (and also he was tall and fast in a straight line).
I actually think on tape Golday’s best stuff is when rushing the passer, so maybe he could do some SAM stuff for us, but there’s just not a ton of NFL LB stuff on his tape.
I’m fast-approaching the point where I start bragging about the hit rate of that deep dive piece I do every April. Those guys are all over NFL rosters. Most of the TB safety room was on it, and that’s after losing Izien, who was also on it.
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I know, you’re the man. I would hire you if I could
Real talk
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He tested well enough on COD. Not elite. But just fine for his size. I think he is going to be a WILL because he is rangy and run and chase suits him best in the long run. I would agree coverage needs some work, but man with so many of these guys this is the case. Its hard to project these guys sometimes because of the way their college uses them. You could very well be right - its very logical . All I know is he definitely has a place in this league. And one of the reasons I like him is the versatility I see with him at that size being able to play all three spots. I hope the team that drafts him has a plan.
Right but there’s testing, then there’s the tape. And the tape shows a pretty stiff athlete. And I want to be clear that I don’t dislike him, I see the straight line athlete too, but like Sanders he was just used in such a niche way. The Cincy D was designed to stop RPOs, and to that end, Golday was used in that strange sort of overhang fashion I mentioned earlier.
Again, that doesn’t mean he can’t do it, just that he hasn’t. And I don’t know the best way to use him. I think he’s too stiff in short areas to stick at WILL, the coverage stuff is gonna eat him alive. If he was in the middle of an old Tampa 2 where he could drop that might work, he sort of Urlacher-sized and wouldn’t have to man up. I agree that running and chasing in a straight line is probably his strength, but it also means he overruns plays too frequently. Like I said I don’t hate his pass-rushing chops, so if the plan would be to draft him as Barnes’s replacement, I could get behind that. But he’s gonna go a little too high for that sort of projection to me. I’d rather take him about where Barnes went in that case.
Anyway he’s an interesting discussion, clearly I was just watching him yesterday and was really at a loss as I did. Plenty to like, but I think I’d rather just go a different direction for the cost.
Yowza that would be great.
I wish these sims would be better on the OTs. Like I get why Iheanachor’s ranked 38th, I have him ranked 42nd. But my list isn’t being used to make draft picks with, and I am fully aware he’s going nowhere near 42nd. They should design their boards to reflect that.
But because they’re a consensus, and because they have him ranked that low, that’s where he keeps going in their draft, reinforcing their consensus ranking. It’s a vicious cycle.
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I liked the draft because we came away with the Raiders 1st pick next year but I failed to land a CB. I’d also like a swing OT that is more adept at LT because we have nothing behind Sewell unless we want to count on Manu again. I don’t.
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Me either, I just gave you my opinion since you asked!
So I might be lower than you on his pass rush, although I do think he has some ability. And I think I’m higher on his being able to work in space and cover. I would rather have Anthony Hill Jr as a weakside who could be a pleasant surprise as an occasional EDGE but I have serious doubts if he drops that far. I think the Lions sort of want that weakside that can hold up as a MLB like AA. So Golday fits that some. I don’t think I’m super high on him as a stack and shed though. But like we both said, he is hard to project and I think projection is key with him (and an awful lot of the guys in this draft class actually). Sometimes I think he overruns plays not because he naturally lacks COD but because he is a long strider. Also: I think he is pretty fluid in space but he’ll need some time to learn. I like his upside a lot. But its an upside play and not everybody wants that at 50
Right, I see the upside for sure. I mean the upside is league’s best LB honestly, but that’s true for most these guys. I think evaluation often comes down to “what do you think the chances are of this guy hitting that ceiling?, 90% of that ceiling?, 75%?, etc…” And if the chances of hitting that 75% number are high, you call him high floor. So, i think Golday might have a higher ceiling than most of the guys in this class, but I don’t have much belief he will hit it. I think that’s a good way to say it. And in fact I think he also has a lower floor than most, and higher chance of hitting that. The Drew Sanders experience is really telling to me here. Not the same player (though similar), but also a fantastic athlete used in a really niche way that was hard to project.
I think your pont is why its hard to really be a draftnik without all the info. Its way more important to determine football character in these situations. I mean its always important, but the emphasis has to be stronger when you are making a big projection on traits. Because the more football character, the more he’s proven to learn at the college level when asked, the more edge sometimes, the more likely it is they will develop the way the team wants.
Right, we are lacking the info necessary to make an actual pick, which is why even when it’s one I don’t like I always give the FO the benefit of the doubt. All we can do really is evaluate the tape.
I do think we’ll like Golday the person, and he’ll be a mad man on special teams. In fact it might take some work to get him to stay in his lane. The guy is excitable.
I do like Golday a lot better as a LB than Drew Sanders. I still cringe when I hear that name. I got chastised in here when I said Drew was not a true off ball LB and he was a skinny day 3 edge rusher. People wanted him in the 1st round.
As for Golday at the senior bowl practice I thought he showed some coverage chops that I did not see in the regular season. He actually had a good back pedal in his drop and was quick to break on the ball. Small sample but I think he at least has it in him.
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I think he’s better at actually sticking to a guy, but man I don’t know that there’s another guy in the class who panics more at the catch point. Guy’s got no chill at all to his game.
I understand what your saying. Prior to the senior bowl I had never seen him move backwards. So I figured he could at least get a drop into zone coverage.
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I think you definitely want him in zone rather than man, if you’re having him drop at all. I still think his best position is probably as an old school SAM like Barnes, he’s got some legit pass-rush moves. I mean, legit for a LBer playing edge.