Nauta over Bawden?

I’m the one suggesting it. It’s coming from what I think will be a desire to get Stenberg playing time even though both OG spots are locked up. He’s not going to get 11% of the snaps like Bawden, but he’d be an option in short-yardage packages where a FB is most needed. Other than that, we have our stable of TE’s.

He just has to block the 2nd level guy trying to fill the gap. 40 time doesn’t matter.

We’ll see what happens. I think it’ll be harder to make room for a FB on the roster than it will be to get his production from a mix of other players.

That’s of the “active” roster on game day. That’s not related to the 55-man roster. They must have 8 active on game day. We average 9 per year on the roster already, so keeping 8 active will not be an issue.

Gotcha - misunderstood that. sorry to create confusion - Lord knows this board does not need anything else for people to argue over :slight_smile:

Actually just googled the rules and it is very different than I and I think many believed. They are not actually increasing the roster from 53 to 55 although you may be able to dress up to two extra players. Here is a pretty good breakdown of the rules pertaining to both practice squad and active squad. Long article and the active roster information is near the bottom. They can dress an extra player on game day and IF they carry at least 8 offensive lineman they can dress another as well. That is outlined in one of the sections below.

"The rules that haven’t changed

Team rosters are still limited to 53 players — and during the season, the salary cap is still based on the contracts of those 53 players. As before, teams may have up 90 players on their roster through the offseason and training camp, but only the top 51 contracts count against the cap.

The usual rules about practice-squad players still apply: in order to move one to the active roster, another player must be first be removed — either by being placed on a reserve list (such as injured reserve) or being released outright. Once a practice squad player is on the roster, they can only return to the practice squad by first being waived — which allows any other team to pick them up from the waiver wire. Once they have cleared waivers, they may be re-signed to a new practice-squad contract.

Once elevated to the active roster, practice-squad players must be paid a weekly salary (based on 1/17 of their NFL minimum salary) for at least three weeks — even if they are waived from the roster before then. And if a team chooses to poach a practice-squad player from another team, they must be carried on the new club’s 53-man roster for at least three weeks — and be paid accordingly.

The rules that have changed

Practice squad eligibility

As you’ve probably heard, the new CBA allows an expansion of team practice squads from 10 players to 12 in 2020. But eligibility rules have been substantially relaxed. Players who can be on practice squads now fall into four groups:

  1. Players with less than one accrued NFL season (six games on an active roster)
  2. Players who have been on an active roster for fewer than nine regular-season games during their only accrued season(s)
  3. Players who have earned no more than two accrued seasons with any number of games
  4. Players with any number of accrued seasons

If you think the third and fourth groups are a departure from the old rules, you’re right. It is.

But both of them have a limitation: a team may only have four practice-squad players whose eligibility is based on Group 3 — and only two based on Group 4. Starting in 2022 — when the squad size increases to 14 players — four Group 4 layers will be allowed.

Wouldn’t this allow a class of professional practice-squad players to exist? In some respects, it would — particularly if we’re talking about players who have been in the league for a number of years, but who aren’t quite good enough to be on a team’s roster.

A team might want to have a couple of guys like that on their practice squad to provide veteran leadership and improve roster depth. If they become cap casualties (and can’t find a spot on another team) a team might consider putting them on their practice squad. Whether or not teams will choose to make such a move is unknown — but the new rules would allow it.

Practice squad pay

The 2011 CBA only stated a minimum weekly salary for practice-squad players. Otherwise, teams could pay them whatever they wanted — usually so that their players would be less likely to be poached. As recently as last season, the New England Patriots reportedly paid a practice-squad player the minimum active roster salary to keep them from being poached. The only limitation on practice-squad salaries was that they counted against the salary cap — and they still do.

But the new CBA eliminates unlimited practice-squad salaries. All practice-squad players are paid a fixed weekly salary established under the CBA — except for Group 4 players, for whom the CBA establishes a minimum and maximum salary. In 2020, both are $12,000 for Group 4; all other practice-squad players will be paid $8,400 per week. In 2022, the Group 4 salaries must be between $15,400 and $19,900, while all others will be paid $11,500.

Practice squad elevation

As noted before, the normal rules about moving a player from the practice squad to the active roster remain in place. But the new CBA adds an alternative method called the Standard Elevation Addendum (SEA).

In many news articles about the CBA, brief descriptions of the SEA have led to a misconception that NFL rosters were increasing to 55 players — but this isn’t the case.

The SEA has its roots in the 2011 CBA’s Contagious Disease Addendum (CDA). This provision allowed a team that had been granted a roster exemption because one of its players had been infected with a contagious disease to easily (and temporarily) elevate a practice-squad player for a game. The player would be paid 1/17 of the appropriate NFL minimum salary for the game — and afterward, would automatically be returned to the practice squad . There was no requirement that they be paid as a regular player for three weeks — or pass through the waiver system before returning.

The new SEA does exactly the same thing — except that no doctor’s note (a roster exemption) is required; teams may use it for any reason they wish. It may be used on as many as two practice-squad players per game.

But both the SEA and the CDA (which remains in the 2020 deal) have a significant catch: they may not be applied to the same player for consecutive games . If a team wishes to make the practice-squad player available for the next game, the CBA requires that it “must follow all of the established procedures for signing a practice squad player to an NFL player contract” — in other words, do it the old-fashioned way.

There is one other wrinkle to the SEA — one that is not shared by the older CDA: it may be used only twice per season on an individual player . Any other elevation of that player to the active roster must be done using the “established procedures.”

We don’t know how often teams will opt to use the SEA. But it’s not hard to imagine where it could be useful.

Let’s say a cornerback is nursing a hamstring injury. He might be able to play on Sunday, but you think he’ll be ready to play a week later. Using the SEA to make a practice-squad corner available to play in the coming game makes it easier to make a game-day decision that allows Ward to rest for another week.

The game-day roster

Under the 2011 CBA, teams were allowed to dress 46 players from their 53-man roster for a game. Under the new deal, they can dress 47. They can also dress a 48th player — as long as the game-day roster includes at least eight offensive linemen. But as we’ve seen, they can choose not just from their active roster, but also from designated practice-squad players — up to two from applications of the SEA, and perhaps more from CDA designations.

But why do offensive linemen get an extra roster spot?

It is believed to be because of the way the modern game is being played. To keep them fresh, defensive linemen are routinely rotated in and out of the lineup. Offensive linemen, however, tend to be a static group of players who are on the field for every offensive snap. This has led to most teams making just seven offensive linemen active on game days — meaning that after just two injuries on the offensive front, no one is available in the event of a third injury.

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I suggested it as well with the same thoughts for playing time.
It would probably be straight ahead plays, would be my guess.
Different regime, but didn’t Reilly Reif get his feet wet that way?

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Made me look and you are absolutely correct. I was ready to say he played RT, but he didn’t do that until Decker came in. So, yeah, that 2012 year Backus was still the LT and Reif did his 6th lineman bit. Good call.

Aha! Thanks for that. Now that you’ve shared that, I do remember reading about that previous to their voting. Funny thing is, if you search on the roster limit, you’ll see the teams are sharing the same info (wrong info): “As a result, overall rosters will increase from the widely-recognized 53-man to now 55 players.” Their roster is ~effectively~ 55 guys in that they can dress any of their 53 and up to 2 of their Practice Squadders to get to their 48 game-day active.

Thanks for setting the record straight!

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Bawden is indeed good at blocking. Bryant is a pass catching TE. Nauta is an H-Back type combo TE. Sellers got moved around a lot, and competition IS a thing, but dang that kid plays hard and slightly past the whistle. When guys are letting up, he is driving them into the ground for good measure. Guys like him and Stenberg are going to have to reel it in just a bit, but I’ll take that erry day as opposed to begging guys to play hard.

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None of them could possibly be as bad as Ebron (video links):

https://lionstalk.com/t/ebron-same-story/4305/12?u=freebird