QB Power Rankings: Justin Fields tumbles towards bottom

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Davis Webb who replaced Goff at Cal as a graduate transfer is now the QB coach at Denver.

[Richard_Parker]

@TCLion

Which is kinda my point from a different angle. Why keep drafting a system QB in the first round just because they didn’t flop when surrounded by all star talent?

Andre Ware and David Klingler. Gaudy numbers at Houston, both get selected high, both flop.

Marc Sanchez and Matt Leinart. There are plenty of examples of NFL scouts getting absolutely silly over the QB kryptonite of system QB’s.

Alabama and Ohio State are just the latest craze in this vein.

Jeff Tedford coached Trent Dilfer, Joey Harrington, Akili Smith, and Kyle Boller, let that sink in and marinate for the minute that deserves.

So your every instinct should say to steer clear, right? Right.

That’s probably why everyone passed on Aaron Rodgers until the 24th pick.

Every QB needs to be evaluated in an independent vacuum absent of prejudice both positive and negative. That being said, an institution that produces similar performing alumni needs prospects to be evaluated for the kryptonite system factor. Fields has yet to show signs of personal growth as a QB, just my opinion, but I see him as soon justifying his place on this list…Dwayne Haskins, Cardale Jones, Terrelle Pryor & Troy Smith.

And once again….you can say this about all college programs….there is no one college team that is producing stellar QBs at the pro-level. Ohio State QBs are not on an island with this as most people like to suggest in such a regurgitating, cliche’est way

[stephenboyd57]

@Weaselpuppy

I have been very consistent and very simple about Fields from the very get go.

He sucks.

His college means nothing, his performance in the nfl for 3 seasons is terrible.

Can he improve? Maybe. I think he stinks too

[frm710]

@Richard_Parker

That is a very spread out list and that’s kinda what I was getting at. No particular school has a pipeline of great QBs….so to single out Ohio State QBs as ones to steer clear of I find myself puzzled because there isn’t a school(s) who has a clear better track record of successful QBs, well except that Miami did produce some guys who had success and one HOF

I think it shows how big the jump really is from college, no matter whether AL/OSU/UGA or Bowling Green or Nevada, at the QB position. All the success at the college level guarrantee’s nothing at the next level. Similar to MLB the talent jump from AAA to the MLB level is the biggest of all and that is after you have had success at the three previous levels.

[FreebirdPartDeux]

@stephenboyd57

his performance in the nfl for 3 seasons is terrible

I wouldn’t say “terrible”–2022 was ok

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His passing numbers for 2022 were comparable to Lamar Jackson’s 2022 season:

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And Fields did rush for 1143 yards and 8 TDs.

At 24 years old, there is room for improvement, but it probably won’t come with the Bears organization.

[TCLion]

I just don’t see it with Fields, maybe it’s a personal preference thing, but for me a QB has to have it between the eardrums at a superior level and I just don’t get that sense from Fields.

For example… “My goal this week is just to say ‘f it’ and just go out there and play football how I know to play football. That includes thinking less and just going out there and playing off instincts rather than so much info in my head, data in my head, and literally just going out and playing football.”

Now, close your eyes for a moment and imagine that statement coming from Warren Moon, Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes, etc. Having a hard time picturing it? Me too.

Fields isn’t in the greatest spot, that’s true. A first time NFL offensive coordinator without a real track record of results and development, a shaky offensive line, there’s plenty of excuses to go around, but excuses don’t pay the bills and I just don’t get the sense that he’s committed to growing and advancing his game to the next level.

There’s plenty of season left to see how it develops, and the Bears have a lot of new parts. Sometimes these things just take time to gel, but it won’t surprise me at all if the Bears choose to move on from both Getsy AND Fields in favor of this year’s bountiful collegiate QB crop.

[socko]

@TCLion

For example… “My goal this week is just to say ‘f it’ and just go out there and play football how I know to play football. That includes thinking less and just going out there and playing off instincts rather than so much info in my head, data in my head, and literally just going out and playing football.”

I can think of another QB that didn’t think he needed coaching and was about 20 lbs overweight. But I agree, this is not a good sign.

[Mr.Peabody]

@Snags

@Mr.Peabody

@Snags

@Richard_Parker

Fields is a total mess man. I watched highlights of that game and man he is overthrowing screen passes that the receiver was wide open …he won’t be back in Chicago and I hope they don’t draft a QB and ruin that young QBs career as they have done so many

So it’s the Bears fault for Fields sucking?

That is always a valid question. Is it the chicken or the egg? Oh wait…I don’t think that’s quite how the analogy is used. LOL

I honestly think its the Bears. The entire organization is a shitshow when it comes to developing quarterbacks. JT O’Sullivan has taken quite a few shots at the play designs they have Fields trying to execute.

I still think San Fran was the perfect fit for Fields and the 49ers screwed it up for both of them.

The Lions sucked and their coaching was not great but Stafford was always one of their better players and still developed his game. Is Fields getting better?

The Lions had Scott Linehan, who has a track record for getting young QBs playing productive football. Then when Linehan reached the peak of what he was capable of, we brought in Jim Caldwell and Matt’s game progressed.

One issue the Bears are running into is that their OC is inexperienced. Half of his football experience has been in college, which doesn’t directly translate to NFL playcalling. And ALL of his NFL experience came with the Packers. The Packers have so much going for them on offense that it can distort what its really like to run an offense (the Pats with Bill Belichick/Brady effect). With Rodgers all you had to do was lay out the general concept of what you wanted and he would solve most of the problems. When developing a young QB you have to be the problem solver while not putting too much information into his head (overthinking).

[Richard_Parker]

@Mr.Peabody

@Snags

@Mr.Peabody

@Snags

@Richard_Parker

Fields is a total mess man. I watched highlights of that game and man he is overthrowing screen passes that the receiver was wide open …he won’t be back in Chicago and I hope they don’t draft a QB and ruin that young QBs career as they have done so many

So it’s the Bears fault for Fields sucking?

That is always a valid question. Is it the chicken or the egg? Oh wait…I don’t think that’s quite how the analogy is used. LOL

I honestly think its the Bears. The entire organization is a shitshow when it comes to developing quarterbacks. JT O’Sullivan has taken quite a few shots at the play designs they have Fields trying to execute.

I still think San Fran was the perfect fit for Fields and the 49ers screwed it up for both of them.

The Lions sucked and their coaching was not great but Stafford was always one of their better players and still developed his game. Is Fields getting better?

The Lions had Scott Linehan, who has a track record for getting young QBs playing productive football. Then when Linehan reached the peak of what he was capable of, we brought in Jim Caldwell and Matt’s game progressed.

One issue the Bears are running into is that their OC is inexperienced. Half of his football experience has been in college, which doesn’t directly translate to NFL playcalling. And ALL of his NFL experience came with the Packers. The Packers have so much going for them on offense that it can distort what its really like to run an offense (the Pats with Bill Belichick/Brady effect). With Rodgers all you had to do was lay out the general concept of what you wanted and he would solve most of the problems. When developing a young QB you have to be the problem solver while not putting too much information into his head (overthinking).

Excellent points!

[Snags]

@Mr.Peabody

@Snags

@Mr.Peabody

@Snags

@Richard_Parker

Fields is a total mess man. I watched highlights of that game and man he is overthrowing screen passes that the receiver was wide open …he won’t be back in Chicago and I hope they don’t draft a QB and ruin that young QBs career as they have done so many

So it’s the Bears fault for Fields sucking?

That is always a valid question. Is it the chicken or the egg? Oh wait…I don’t think that’s quite how the analogy is used. LOL

I honestly think its the Bears. The entire organization is a shitshow when it comes to developing quarterbacks. JT O’Sullivan has taken quite a few shots at the play designs they have Fields trying to execute.

I still think San Fran was the perfect fit for Fields and the 49ers screwed it up for both of them.

The Lions sucked and their coaching was not great but Stafford was always one of their better players and still developed his game. Is Fields getting better?

The Lions had Scott Linehan, who has a track record for getting young QBs playing productive football. Then when Linehan reached the peak of what he was capable of, we brought in Jim Caldwell and Matt’s game progressed.

One issue the Bears are running into is that their OC is inexperienced. Half of his football experience has been in college, which doesn’t directly translate to NFL playcalling. And ALL of his NFL experience came with the Packers. The Packers have so much going for them on offense that it can distort what its really like to run an offense (the Pats with Bill Belichick/Brady effect). With Rodgers all you had to do was lay out the general concept of what you wanted and he would solve most of the problems. When developing a young QB you have to be the problem solver while not putting too much information into his head (overthinking).

Are you insinuating that Fields would be a better passer if Linehan was his QB coach?

[Mr.Peabody]

@Snags

Are you insinuating that Fields would be a better passer if Linehan was his QB coach?

Linehan specifically? No. He is a few years past his prime. But someone who knows the NFL game and can give a young QB a formula to success while not overloading his brain? Absolutely. The Bears OC’s only experience in the NFL is with a team where the QB does the problem solving. Its literally the opposite of what a young QB needs.

I am throwing all references to “QB coach” in the trash.

[JCHeff1979]

This list doesn’t make a lot of sense. Why include stats if you’re just gonna ignore them?

Take machine must be fed……