Why not both?
Some are saying flag planting justifies violent reponse or leads to it. Yet, to this point, history of flag planting in college sports, does not support that pov.
So, ban flag planting I don’t really care for the whole thing myself.
However, flag planting does not justify violence in response.
It’s where I stand on the issue.
When you are confronted with violence? Or your life is in danger?
I think it’d be pretty rare to find a case where being the first to escalate to violence is the correct and proper route, though I’m sure there are examples. It most certainly is not over something so trivial as someone planting a flag in the middle of your field after you get beat.
But it doesn’t need to lead to violence and that’s the issue. There are many ways to handle a team planting a flag in the middle of your stadium that don’t include physical assault.
And my main point in this and the LaFleur post is that responding to a non violent action with violence or heightened emotional response doesnt look good for anyone.
Control yourself, this idea that people cant help but to rant, rave, fight etc really removes the personal responsibility from the equation and makes these things worse.
I’d say we agree in full. 
I’m all about trying to remove the cause and eliminating the effect as well.
I think the only place where I differ from Dan01 and Davicus on this is that I think all human beings have a breaking point. If you get in anyone’s face and harass them enough, they will eventually snap. That doesn’t necessarily justify it, but I think preventing one typically eliminates the other, so my natural focus is more on the cause than the effect in scenarios where I think it’s kind of clear that one led to the other.
Lots of good points though for sure. I think my mind has changed a bit on a few things since entering the discussion. 
But there is only one way that leads to violence and that was the path chosen.
I would challenge the point that planting a flag on a field is a justifiable breaking point for a violent response. I’m not sayin you are saying that or agreeing with it. However, for me I took it as the underlying point.
Most flag planting in cfb history has not led to a physicl response, to the point I think it is safe to say very rare or extreme.
Not gonna lie…I was looking for a flag emoji…
Violence is rarely justified. Certainly not here. But I love how Michigan fans pearl clutch the word “violence”. A bunch of boys out there pushing each other in pads and helmets. I’m sure it made the OSU cops really happy to use pepper spray I guess
I never hear this line of argument when a baseball pitcher goes after a players head and misses. Oh, that player was not justified charging the mound. He’s so violent. It was just throw to the head. So I find it interesting and a bit disingenious really.
I have to say - I just went back and re-watched the entire ordeal. My wife and I were out of town at the time, and the part that I caught live was shortly after the scuffle started.
What I saw and was aware of was right from this point - https://youtu.be/Wi_L-2W-oiw?si=SYRyLaP-l9tBLaNt&t=56
You can see a UM player obnoxiously parading through the OSU players, bumping into them and generally acting like a jackass. Seeing only that part and after, I could understand why I, or anyone who shares my opinion, would have it.
What I missed PRIOR to this, was OSU being total crybabies about the initial flag planting, which I had not seen before.
No doubt OSU’s initial response to it was soft and it certainly supports the opinion of those saying so. After seeing this part, I feel like it make’s a lot more sense.
As always, a little context adds a lot of information…
Thats the real reason why there was a fight. I m thinking the same thing with tunnel shit with msu a few years ago.
Pearl clutch, lol.
I’ve been consistent in my opinion of this issue. To try and turn it back from what you said about a player deserving to have the shit kicked out of him, ie violence to me…is well… transparent.
I can say this with complete honesty. Nothing that happened after that game in Columbus surprised me. I’ll leave it at that.
Yep, they did it.
Not a fan, not losing any sleep over it, and no fights breaking out.
Look at the difference though?
The difference I see is Michigan lost and went to the locker room.
It was not even close to the same thing lol. I still don’t like it. I think Sark came out and said he didn’t like flag plants after Michigan did that. Not sure if he addressed his team after this first. I hope so, or he comes off pretty bad.
Osu has their tradition though. Again go watch the video and see why there was a brawl?
Yeah my point is zero uofm.players were around. Mean while you got a guy bumping into osu players waving a flag around. What do people really think was going to happen. Kisses and hugs.
