Just for the record, Caserio was higher up the chain on command than Quinn ever was. A few years ago folks were clamoring for Caserio. Just because Quinn didn’t work out in Det doesn’t mean that Caserio won’t in Houston.
That being said, Caserio was not a target of Detroit’s this time around and we appear to be going in a different direction so this is good news. One less team to compete with for our candidates.
Naw not really … he wouldn’t be the worst candidate. I just don’t think he’s all that strong of one… At least he brings some former executive experience unlike Rod Wood and Millen.
I’m fairly confident Saleh is our top choice and Marvin Lewis is our second choice. So I’m expecting a GM that has history with the HC they choose.
My money is on Saleh as HC.
You are constantly on the attack whenever someone even thinks about bringing his name up. You came into a Nick Cesario thread just to chit on him again. If you don’t have a vendetta you might want to take a closer look at your post history on the guy and rethink it going forward. Its certainly coming across that way.
Same, kind of. I have questions swirling on the GM hire.
The more I think about it, the more Lewis/Paton seem likely.
If Lewis is the head coach, I could probably handle rookie GM.
I’d prefer experience in both positions.
I think experienced coach + inexperienced GM is a better combo than the reverse.
I don’t think that noobs in both positions will end up being successful. Not in this organization.
I tend to agree, bolstered by the fact that they’ll already have an experienced Disner in place as the cap specialist. (Plus, who knows how many others from personnel will be retained.)
I think you hit the bullseye on this question. Reading a recent article, it specifically mentioned how much Spielman and DISNER are involved in the hiring process. I’ll say with 98% confidence (this is the Lions after all), that Disner isn’t going to put his stamp of approval on someone likely to turn around and are him.
I’m not sure Lewis would know how to handle having an experienced GM and resources to get his job done at the same time. Just coach the team? He will feel like he’s work half days. 
I know. If there’s one pro sports organization in the universe that can make the Lions look like a well-oiled machine that just hums along, it’s the Bungles.
Who can also point out they’ve made it to two Super Bowls… Yeah…
This wasn’t a “whip it out and measure” comment at the Bengal’s expense, because a micrometer would be required in either case.
But it is a fact that Mike Brown runs the Bengals on a shoestring budget, which is what @wesleysh21 was referring to. Lewis had to do all kinds of crap as head coach of the Bengals that a normal organization (even the Lions!) would have someone else doing.
In that sense, the Lions are way more professional than Cincy.
Or some things that noone should be doing…like monitoring how many Gatorades each player is drinking and charging them if they think its too much.
Jesus, did that actually happen?
Yep, its real. You have to take yourself back in time to the earlier days of NFL football where there wasn’t as much money flying around, and the players were not treated very well. Many of the owner’s weren’t even rich in the sense we know now, they just got into it and took it all the way to the top. As the league started to earn more money and teams started to get bought out by richer and richer owner’s, there was a shift in treating the players better. To me the biggest shift in how teams treated players came after the 49ers owner started practically pampering his team and they won a crap ton of games. That kind of became the model to follow, along with the Cowboys of course who were pouring tons of money into their program in scouting, staff, etc.
Each team is its own bubble and advanced at its own pace. The richer and more willing the owner, the quicker they advanced. A few teams lagged behind for various reasons, and by the time Marvin Lewis got to the Bengals they were so far behind everyone else that people’s jaws drop when you start describing the situation relative to where the rest of the league was at the time. How the Bengals owner did things was the norm a few decades prior, he just didn’t evolve with the times. When Marvin got there, they were even being cheap on the personnel front. An official “GM” was too expensive, so they didn’t have one. They had an embarrassingly small scouting staff that only had a handful of guys on it.
Skipping to the part you asked about, it was very real when Lewis got there. As the story goes, they weren’t even giving out Gatorade when Marvin first got there. Then they evolved to giving “some” away, but monitoring it closely for how much a player took and where they drank it. Several players reported getting used cups and jock straps, and other players (like Ki-Jana Carter) were the ones that bought the team new jockstraps.
“We didn’t have bottled water or Gatorade and when we first got it, guys would be taking bottles of Gatorade home… The year before I got there, Willie Anderson was telling me they didn’t even have jockstraps.”
Housh says the team offered up USED jockstraps.
So, Ki-Jana Carter bought jockstraps for the team, since he was a rich first round pick.
“Once Marvin (Lewis) got there, he brought a level of professionalism and structure that it was like OK. Everybody stayed in hotels for every home game, every team I’d been on. When we first got to the Bengals, we stayed at home.”
My previous post got a little long so I went ahead and posted it. Piggybacking on it, Marvin Lewis had to go into that organization and teach them everything about being a modern football team…and he fought resistance the entire way. The entire team was on his shoulders…from the coaching to the players to the scouting to the damn Gatorade. He had to be the alpha and the omega…not just the coach. If you recall when the Bengals hired Zac Taylor, I said it was literally the worst hire they could possibly have dreamed of making. He was a 35 year old kid (about to turn 36) who was only a short term QB coach in the NFL. He’d never even rose up to becoming a full time coordinator yet. The guy he was replacing was the defensive coordinator of 2000 Ravens (Marvin Lewis). The kid never stood a chance of putting an entire organization on his back.
Watson will be happy here , we can hire qb before gm and coach . Then he can be in both gm and head coach search . Wood seem to be going in that direction
Gase and Patricia together, wow that’ll turn out well, hahaha
I’ve never met a football player who wore a jockstrap to play football. Hockey is another story now.