The arrogance of this team is what really ticks me off

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This entire season there has been an arrogance to this team. From top down. starting way back in April,

Brad telling the fans that stop being pissed we have Aiden, we dont need another edge.

To dan saying were good.

To ignoring the writing on the wall with Rags till the 11th hour.

To BOTH coordinators making excuses for the lack of coaching and adjustments. Blaming it on players and “oh we played good except the 60% of plays that didnt go our way”

To players clapping back at fans for doubting the team.

To players not performing any where close to what they have been. Or where they were expecting to be.

This entire team got high off their own supply from going to the NFCC, then going 15-2. And thinking “oh we got this”.

And it has been a slow decline. The cracks got bigger and bigger. Till the levy broke.

And it wasn’t out of nowhere. The issues with this team have had red flags for over 2 years. And were virtually never addressed.

Minor coaching game management decisions, 2nd half adjustments, a deteriorating OL, and a sub par DL.

None of those issues are a surprise. Us “crazy angry fans that need to shut up and appreciate this team for being good” have been screaming about these issues for 2+ years.

I am NOT currently calling for anyones job YET.

Rarely do first year coordinators ever work out. But they need some assistants with experience to help them. There’s virtually no one on either side that has major experience.

Not calling for Brads job but he needs to realize this team needs serious help.

Not calling for Dans job, but he needs to do a better job at realizing what his team ACTUALLY is and not what the analytics say or what this team is on paper.

This off season will be very telling. The window isnt closed yet, but its one of those really old windows thats gonna need some major work, WD40 and elbow grease to get it all the way open again

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Maybe we’re misinterpreting who brad was saying he was a villain to :slight_smile:

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I agree.

I hope that this season has humbled the team. If not we’re in for another long season next year.

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I would love love LOVE for someone to ask brad or dan during a presser

“so, are we still good?”

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Agree with your entire post but you should be calling for people’s jobs. If the Lions don’t replace both coordinators they are not a serious organization that’s committed to winning.

If they don’t fire both coordinators that will tell us all we need to know about the upcoming offseason/season.

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we are getting a new OC, but Shep aint going anywhere, but he will be on a short leash next season, to some peoples frustrations, but im fine with it

All we can kinda hope is its a learning experince and that he can adjust and grow from this year, if he cant, then he will be gone like Morton will be lol.

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Never liked his sarcastic muscle celebration when he can’t perform consistently in 4 quarters ,even oxygen cylinder connecting to him cant help ,this guy get a free pass according to me. Never heard anybody in commentary calling mcneil or Davenports names :rofl:

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If the Lions don’t fire Shep they are a clown operation. Complacency like that is why the Eagles win superbowls while the Lions win nothing.

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Do we need lot of coaching to stop run with a healthy front 7 even though safetys are deep ,is it up to players? I don’t see no energy

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new oc i think is a given. He was virtually fired weeks ago.

But Shep, at a minimum they need to get an experienced coach that has defensive coordinator experience to come in and be an assistant DC. At a maximum replace him.

There is no one on the staff that has DC experience. So Shep was literally on his own. No other me else to turn to when he had questions. Just other young inexperienced coaches. And it showed.

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I agree with the theme, if not all of the specific points.

What happened to the grit? What happened to the intensity? What happened to out-toughing opponents?

When we were winning 15 games last season all the way through the mentality was that whatever our record was, it needed to be better. This year the mentality seems to have been “we’ll be right, we’ll fix it, this loss is good for us”. Dan was talking about the playoffs as if it was taken for granted that we’d make it.

They thought they’d arrived, and that made them soft.

More than anything next season I want to see that hunger and desire and the chip on their shoulder again. We can’t coast through another season just assuming everything will work out.

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Exactly where is knee cap ,where is gang tackling,

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Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don’t make.

Imagine how we’d feel if we traded high draft capital for Parsons or Hendrickson?

This year was a wash, unfortunately. Too many losses, from the coaching staff to the secondary and the OL to overcome.

They may have been patting themselves on the back too much, I don’t know. I’m not in their heads. I don’t know how seriously Brad considered making a big move or two, he likely did but thought the price to high. Both he and Dan do have a lot of room to grow. This year was a setback, a nearly unavoidable one all things considered. But it’s not the end of the world.

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Even if they did make all the correct moves and coaching decisions, etc. Yes I believe this year was gonna be a small step back from the last two.

However, this is a much bigger step than I think anyone was expecting.

But yes, I firmly believe that everyone coaches players and staff all have plenty of room to grow and learn from this.

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This is exactly where I am at. We just went though a season where the two primary coordinator positions were changed…and it sucked. Dan needs to find an OC, and Shep needs to grow.

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Pretty good and being a playoff team? As opposed to having draft capital (to NOT use on a pass rusher for certain) Marcus Davenport and playing for nothing by end of December. Yeah I’ll take the talent please. The slow dynasty build isn’t working. JJ McCarthy beat us… at home. Think about that.

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Uh both had season-ending injuries, one non-contact and one a longstanding issue. Had we ponied up for those two, we’d lose the high picks and not get the player we paid for. Add in the salaries and you’re taking other guys off the field as well.

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I’ve had the same feeling. The arrogance has manifested itself in the lack of urgency on offense.

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Once you remove a player from going to one team and on to another, you also lose the time and place they were injured. Maybe it happens, maybe it doesn’t. Hendrickson has been mostly available his entire career. Maybe Parsons gets us enough wins before he got hurt to get us to the playoffs. I mean unless it’s like re-upping someone made of glass to count on like Marcus Davenport.

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It seems that both Parsons and Hendrickson were damaged goods ready to end up on blocks in the driveway. And the cash situation, in addition to the loss of draft capital, hurts bad too. Could mean the loss of LaPorta or Branch (though both those guys are hurt too, fug).

I don’t want Brad to be too scared to pull the trigger on a deal that makes sense. I’m glad he didn’t in the case of those two superstars.

Can’t argue on Davenport. They should just IR him and say goodbye.