Going by what Holmes said below, he seems to think Martin is just scratching the surface of his potential. Getting him nfl coaching will probably help a lot.
“He was just a favorite for me and (coach) Dan (Campbell) — not in terms of what Brodric is right now, we were so excited about what Brodric can become,” Holmes said. “When you identify a guy at that size, that’s that powerful, is that athletic, and has that kind of rare length that he has — and look, there are a lot of defensive linemen that are big and have length and are powerful — but he plays hard, he plays like how we want to play. He’s relentless, he chases the ball, he’s instinctive, he can find the football. It’s all those things (that) really kept moving Brodric kind of up the charts for us as the process moved along.”
Darius Rush is the guy that we missed on. Ringo fell was a 2nd rounder (Eagles traded a future 3rd to go get him they said they had him rated a round higher than the pick they gave up) Looks like outside CB fell in the draft…there was a ton of them and other positions was slim pickins… it happens.
Exactly right, “not what he is right now, but what he can become” so if he can mentally hold it down & handle getting his *as beat for a year he could be pretty good developmental wise
What’s that got to do with anything? Did they trade 3 picks for 1? What logic are you getting at here?
Your response to mine is literally being critical for no reason. But I’m not surprised, it’s what you do.
What exactly bothered you? That I called it a head scratcher (which MANY also thought). That I said he needs to be a contributor to justify it (which I said was MY OPINION). Or that I would let it slide…which was clearly a joke.
“Picks” are not just nebulous things. They have players attached to them. So think about the math behind the players that would be acquired with the picks. If the players with the 5th round picks that were traded wouldn’t contribute from day 1, why would Brodric suddenly have to contribute from day 1? Why does the guy have to be Javon Hargrave just because we traded Quintez Cephus and Jason Huntley to move up and get him?
And if you aren’t following the reference, Javon Hargrave is one of the rare 3rd round DTs tht was an immediate contributor and has name recognition amongst fans. Quintez Cephus and Jason Huntley were 5th round picks by us in the same draft. In fact, let’s look at our 5th round picks:
2023: OT Colby Sorsdal
2022: TE James Mitchell
2021: none
2020: WR Quintez Cephus, RB Jason Huntley
2019: CB Amani Oruwayrie
2018: OT Tyrell Crosby
2017: CB Jamal Agnew
2016: OG Joe Dahl, LB Antoine Williams
2015: FB Michael Burton
2014: DT Caraun Reid
2013: P Sam Martin
2012: LB Tahir Whitehead, CB Chris Greenwood
2011: LB Douglas Hogue
Because you are giving up 3 players for 1 genius. If you are going to trade 3 Players for 1, that guy should probably be pretty solid no?
Is that really hard to understand? Is it easier to hit on a prospect if you swing 3 times or 1?
Now give me some enlightening breakdown how that is also wrong.
I mean we only drafted Rodrigo and Houston in the 6th round last year as well as James Mitchell in the 5th. it’s not like BH doesn’t smash these “pointless” draft picks. So I’ll stand by my point…you trade 3 picks to move up for 1, he should probably be a pretty solid player.
I hear what you’re saying, but due to the improved roster and depth, the Lions don’t have a lot of room for late round picks anymore precisely because they’ve hit on the prior late round picks.
And of the three guys you mentioned, at least two of them appear headed for backup roles with Campbell starting over Rodrigo and LaPorta over Mitchell.
Anyway, with this coaching staff, I think it’s more likely Martin succeeds in developing than he fails.
I never said Martin has to be a starter or it’s a dumb move. I even said I like the pick if he’s a part of a 4 man interior rotation. He should probably be more than a project was the only issue I would have with it. And I was only be “critical” or “half serious” because I loved the first 5 picks so much. Even said as much…in a joking way I was finding something to complain about.
I also said earlier in the thread that good teams don’t need to be making more than 8-9 picks in a draft because there’s nowhere for them to go.
It’s also worth adding that the picks that were given up were similar assets that were used to acquire St Brown, Rodrigo and Houston. Brad has shown a better than average (arguably much better) “hit” rate on this mid to late round picks. Giving Brad extra ammo to pick guys in these mid/late rounds is smart business. So to me, the whole “found money” justification is offset by the increased value of these picks that our GM brings when using them.
The draft currency used was also the equivalent of what we got for Okudah and Swift……
So you trust Brad to draft these late rounders, but you don’t trust him when he says that Martin is worth more than what he could’ve gotten in those later rounds?
Since you asked - no, quite frankly, I don’t. Brad tried to trade up for Levi. If he was successful, the trade value chart shows he would have highly likely traded the pick that turned out to be Amon-Ra. This specific example isn’t the basis, but merely an example of why I would have preferred he use his scouting talents to take flyers on mid/late round picks. Him using these mid-tier draft assets to find a diamond in the rough brings more value to the organization than purging them for a day 2 trade up for a DT with question marks. We’ve seen this already.
