Tigers aren't a horrible organization. Data says time for a better Scott Harris debate

I’ve shared beers with Chris and Roger, good guys and this article sums up my thoughts on this team and management moves.
A good way to take data from a spreadsheet and add nuance that those sheets miss in an article format.

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I love data. It helps create structure to any argument. But finally putting this into an article versus tweeting against some of the opinions I have been seeing as of late.

Scott Harris has made mistakes. The Tigers’ 2026 record is disappointing. Their bullpen construction deserves scrutiny, several free-agent investments have failed and trading Tarik Skubal and Casey Mize dramatically raises the stakes for what comes next. But none of that means Detroit has spent the last four years going nowhere.

There is a difference between being frustrated with the Detroit Tigers and accurately evaluating the Detroit Tigers.

…after Harris traded Tarik Skubal and Casey Mize at the deadline, the argument that Detroit is still simply accumulating talent has an expiration date.

But another argument has become increasingly common around the Tigers: that the organization itself is horrible, Harris has accomplished essentially nothing and Detroit is once again asking fans to wait indefinitely on prospects.

That argument does not hold up nearly as well when you examine the entire record.

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Brown’s calculation credited:

  • Dombrowski acquisitions: 34.6 bWAR
  • Avila acquisitions: 14.6 bWAR
  • Harris acquisitions: 35.7 bWAR through Aug. 1

That number should not be used to declare Harris superior to Dombrowski.

Brown himself made that qualification clear. Every baseball executive inherits a different organization, different payroll circumstances, different existing talent and a different competitive window.

But the Harris total does challenge the idea that his front office has spent four years adding nothing.

Brown broke Harris’ 35.7 WAR down this way:

Free agents: 11.4 bWAR

Waiver claims: 10.6

Trades: 7.4

Drafted players: 6.3

Only 6.3 WAR came from the draft.

Nearly 30 WAR came from free agents, trades and waiver claims.

That is important because one of the most repeated criticisms of Harris is that the Tigers have done little besides draft highly rated prospects and wait.

Brown’s numbers suggest something considerably broader has happened.

And the waiver number might be the most revealing figure in the entire exercise.

Getting 10.6 WAR from waiver claims does not happen because an organization had a top-three draft pick. It requires identifying players other organizations were willing to expose and finding ways to make them useful.

Tyler Holton is the obvious example. Detroit claimed him from Arizona in February 2023 and turned him into an important part of its pitching staff.

Andy Ibáñez was another early waiver claim who became a useful major-league role player and eventually delivered one of the biggest hits of Detroit’s 2024 postseason run.

That is not superstar acquisition. It is organizational competence. There is an important caveat with Brown’s tweet. WAR accumulated by an acquisition is not a comprehensive front-office grade. It does not account for acquisition cost, payroll efficiency, postseason success, long-term contractual risk or the future value of prospects.

It also should not allow Harris to claim players he did not acquire.

Tarik Skubal, Riley Greene, Colt Keith, Dillon Dingler and Jackson Jobe were already Tigers properties before Harris arrived.

Acquisition credit belongs to the previous regime.

The development environment those players entered after Harris took over can be discussed separately.

That distinction matters. The point of Brown’s research is not that Harris has outperformed Dombrowski.

The point is much narrower. If the argument is that Scott Harris has spent four years, adding almost nothing of value to the Detroit Tigers, 35.7 WAR of acquired production presents a serious problem for that argument.

The organization Harris inherited matters

Detroit finished 66-96 in 2022.

The Tigers had not reached the postseason since 2014.

From 2019 through 2022, Detroit went:

2019: 47-114

2020: 23-35

2021: 77-85

2022: 66-96

Combined, that is 213-330, a .392 winning percentage.

Since Harris’ first season:

2023: 78-84

2024: 86-76

2025: 87-75

2026 through Aug. 23: 61-69

Combined, Detroit is 312-304, a .506 team.

Going from .392 baseball during the previous four seasons to .506 under Harris represents roughly an 18-win improvement over a 162-game schedule.

Detroit also reached the postseason in both 2024 and 2025.

That does not excuse 2026. It does make the description “historically bad and inconsistent every year” difficult to defend. The Tigers have unquestionably been better.

The question now is whether “better” is enough.

Where Harris deserves criticism: free agency

This is where the conversation should become more uncomfortable for Harris.

His free-agent record is not good enough to simply point at the 11.4 WAR in Brown’s table and declare victory.

There have been successes. Tyler Holton, a waiver claim, as an example. There have also been expensive failures. Let’s take a look.

Kenta Maeda

The clearest miss is Kenta Maeda. Detroit signed Maeda for two years and $24 million before the 2024 season, hoping he would stabilize the rotation.

Instead, Maeda posted a 6.09 ERA in 2024, lost his rotation spot and was eventually designated for assignment in May 2025 while guaranteed money remained on his contract.

There is no need to dress that transaction up as process. It failed.

Jack Flaherty

The original Jack Flaherty signing was almost the opposite.

Detroit signed Flaherty for one year and $14 million before 2024. In 18 Tigers starts he produced a 2.95 ERA. Detroit, then traded him to the Dodgers for Thayron Liranzo and Trey Sweeney.

That is exactly how a short-term free-agent signing can benefit a rebuilding organization twice.

First, the player helps the major-league club. Then, if circumstances dictate, the club converts that player into young organizational talent. It hasn’t turned into big league talent as of yet so it remains to be seen.

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The farm system did not improve by accident

Then there is the part of the argument that gets dismissed too casually.

Farm systems matter. They are not championships. They are not playoff victories. They did help build the core of the 1984 World Series team and the 1987 team that lost in the ALCS.

Eventually prospects must become major-league production. But if we are evaluating whether an organization is healthy or dysfunctional, amateur scouting and player development are absolutely part of that evaluation.

And Detroit’s improvement is dramatic.

MLB Pipeline ranked the Tigers:

25th entering 2023

13th at midseason 2023

5th entering 2024

6th at midseason 2024

No. 1 entering 2025

6th at midseason 2025

5th entering 2026

8th in August 2026 That means the Tigers went from one of baseball’s bottom-tier systems to spending multiple years among the sport’s better organizations for young talent.

Baseball America reached a similar conclusion.

Detroit ranked:

5th in 2024

2nd in 2025

4th entering 2026

Baseball America specifically noted that Detroit had produced three consecutive top-five systems. That is not meaningless.

And it cannot all be dismissed as the product of losing enough games to draft high.

Max Clark becoming one of baseball’s top prospects is meaningful, but Clark was the No. 3 overall pick. Great things should be expected from that draft position.

Kevin McGonigle is a different example.

McGonigle was selected later in the 2023 draft and developed into one of the best prospects in baseball before reaching Detroit.

That tells us more about scouting and development than simply selecting an obvious top-three talent.

Thayron Liranzo provides another example. Detroit did not draft him.

The Tigers acquired him in the Flaherty deal, and he subsequently climbed into Top 100 prospect territory. Those are different acquisition paths producing talent. Granted, no one wins titles on prospect rankings, but I digress.

Then there are players inherited from Avila’s organization. Harris did not draft Dillon Dingler. He did not draft Colt Keith. He did not acquire Riley Greene. He did not acquire Jackson Jobe.

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The bullpen is where roster-construction criticism gets louder

If the farm system represents one of Harris’ strongest accomplishments, the 2026 bullpen represents one of the strongest criticisms.

Through Aug. 19, Detroit had suffered an MLB-high 19 losses in games it led in the seventh inning or later.

The Tigers were 12-22 in one-run games at that point.

That is a dramatic reversal from the previous two seasons, when Detroit went a combined 52-36 in one-run games.

Not every blown lead is a front-office failure. Relief pitching is volatile. Pitchers get hurt.

Players underperform. But when an identifiable roster weakness repeatedly costs games, roster construction has to enter the discussion

My confusion sets in

This is the part of the conversation I simply do not understand.

You can criticize Scott Harris. You can criticize A.J. Hinch. You can be angry about a 61-69 record, the bullpen, the free-agent misses and the fact that this roster still has obvious holes. I have criticized those things myself.

But jumping from that to “Harris has to go,” “Hinch has to go” or “this organization is garbage” is mind-blowing when you consider what Detroit has actually accomplished over the previous two seasons and where this organization was not that long ago.

The Tigers reached the postseason in 2024 and 2025.

Before that, Detroit had not played postseason baseball since 2014.

It does not give Harris or Hinch lifetime immunity from criticism. It does not make 2026 acceptable. But it should provide some perspective when evaluating whether the entire operation needs to be blown up.

I write about this organization. I watch the major-league club. I watch the minor leagues. I watch the players coming through Toledo, Erie, West Michigan and Lakeland. What I see is not a perfect organization. I see an organization that has substantially more talent than it did four years ago and now has the much harder task of determining how all of those pieces fit together. That is where Harris deserves to be judged next.

The 40-man roster is the next test

This offseason is not simply about adding another prospect or celebrating another high farm-system ranking.

Detroit has real 40-man roster decisions coming.

So do you think Harris/Hinch are doing a good job here? When you say you don’t understand this part of the article?
To me coming up short on “how all those pieces fit together” is right on. Why are we calling up Malgeri and Callahan and relying on them in critical situations when we have better talent in the minors? Why are we pulling pitchers after a walk in the 6th inning, when we have a blowpen rather than a bullpen. Why are we overpaying for FA’s way past ther prime, even if they can produce some WAR, they are inconsistent and not role models (Jansen, Valdez, etc). Why did we do zero to address a flawed BP? Why did we get rid of BOTH Skubal and Mize when we knew it was going to cripple us? Why are we sitting with one of the best run differentails but our wins are not close to our expected wins – we don’t know how to win close games. Why do Dbend’s spreadsheets say one thing and our eyes tell us another? The talent seems to be there but not the results. I agree with that part of the article.

The author of the article wrote that not me, he also clarified it further.

As for my view:

Yes I do think they are doing a good job.

Yes, they have made mistakes that need to be corrected going forward.

Now, comes the biggest test for them as the article states and the one that will determine their future in Detroit or not.

Ahhh, that makes sense, OK, agreed.

This was crippled WITH both of those guys, because the bullpen is actually that historically bad.

Look no further than the blown 7-0 lead in Skubal’s last ever Tigers start.

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right, sure the lack of BP is the main issue, which I mentioned. Blowing a 7-0 lead isn’t beyond their capabilities but that’s more or less a freak thing. But compounding it by getting rid of TWO starters who can give you quality starts was beyond dumb IMHO. I’d be down for getting what you can for one of them. But giving up on the season by getting rid of BOTH of them was brainless.

I think the organization had to get rid of both for the same and for different reasons.

The pen was that bad which is a major point, could he have traded for pen help? Yes, should he have not sure tbh.

Had to trade Skubal as he was going to FA no matter what it is what Boras clients do and, he already lied to the club and team about his injury. So he goes and you make an offer to see if he wants to come back.

Mize, imo, has too long of an injury history and you move him when his value is the highest it has ever been which was now.

And then of course there is the potential lockout heading our way in a few months.

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I get what you’re saying. I viewed it a little differently - getting rid of one - you still have a solid rotation that could compete. Getting rid of two you gave up on the season, esp without BP help.

I’m not watching anymore much to my wife’s relief. It does free up alot of time.

So the question right now is: do you believe that the Tigers W/L record with the current SP rotation would be that much better if Skubal and Mize were still in it?

How many more wins would they have when you look at the how each game played out; 1, 3, 5, 0?

I just don’t think it would be that much different when you are relying on the two main issues over the last two weeks (or months in case of 1).

  1. The bullpen is the same with and without Skubal/Mize… it sucks
  2. The bats, entire lineup have hit a wall over the last two weeks

From my view, I don’t think the W/L record would be that much different. Granted I’m a minor league junkie and like the talent added although that has no impact on the above W/L thoughts.

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That’s the exact right analysis to make. Granted the BP is still the BP which admittedly will blunt any starter’s impact. I think the impact would be maybe two games, but that’s a wild ass guess. But even one game could be real important in a year like this.

Scott has shown me he knows talent and can accumulate talent. I think there is more to his job than that. There is more to winning a World Series than acquiring talent. He’s shown he can be a top scout. Now show me you can be a top GM. That’s where the questions remain.

But to be fair. Talent is a hell of a start. And I feel we have a lot of good young talent. A lot more than some other teams.

The run differential is mostly a fluke. That won’t carry over. Suggests we really blew it in a year we should have been a playoff team.

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Weasel’s Deep Thoughts on Hinch/Harris

Looney Platooney (and Moneyball) and Pitching Chaos are by and large poverty strategies. You can with the right spices and talent make Salisbury Steak taste daaamn good. But if you got the money for bone in ribeye, that’s where you are landing.

The Tigers in 2026 had a ribeye budget and went all salisbury steak in their implementation.

Cut that shit out. Stop giving Hinch shitty toys that fit poverty strategies in 27. Stop buying salisbury steak cuts for the bullpen.

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Here’s where I get frustrated.

The Tigers organization wants us to believe that they are making wise decisions. And the logic of trading Skubal and Mize is made by this article (and has been made by others on this board). I understand the logic given what we have seen out of Tigers ownership.

The article wants to challenge the idea that:

the organization itself is horrible, Harris has accomplished essentially nothing and Detroit is once again asking fans to wait indefinitely on prospects.

OK fine. I believe they made a decent case on #1 and #2. You can say the organization is not horrible, and that Harris has made improvements. I think they have a decent argument here.

But how can they argue that they are not ONCE AGAIN asking fans to wait indefinitely on prospects? Because I feel that is EXACTLY what the organization wants fans to do. Even the cases made in the article are about improvements in the farm system, and some young guys we have which were acquired through the draft/waivers/etc. In other words, look at all of these young prospects and players that MIGHT develop.

If the Tigers actually wanted to win, they would be willing to spend for top free agents. Do you want to keep Skubal? Then pay him more than the other guys will! Do you want a better bullpen? Then pay guys who can fill that role!

Baseball is super broken in my opinion, and I don’t think it’s realistic to ‘Moneyball’ your way to a World Series win. I guess, if EVERYTHING hits in a perfect window, you might have a shot. But otherwise, guys become free agents, players get older, someone gets injured, etc. and you are toast. If you aren’t willing to pay top players, you won’t be near the top consistently. So, the equation is fairly simple for the Tigers - keep ‘building’ the farm system and developing talent you have. Then spend money for actual top tier free agents to fill the gaps and increase your resilience to problems.

However, baseball is broken, and the owners of the Tigers are not willing to pay enough to make that happen. So, we’ll just kind of dodder along in the middle, maybe make the playoffs some years, and then trade away whatever top talent we have. Again.

This is a pretty negative post from me - I usually don’t like doing these. I would love for someone to be able to convince me that the Tigers have a reasonable shot at a World Series in the next 3-ish years. It just seems like the organization is not really trying for that goal in a way that is likely to succeed.

He has been amazing in the draft. We will win a World Series, and it will 100% be because of the core players he drafted.

But oh Man, has he sucked in free agency. Especially with the pitchers. We have just pissed money away on those guys every year.

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Its pitching FA in general that scott is HORRIBLE.

Valdez. Highest paid LHP in mlb history…. 7 era in the first inning?

41 swings vs The rays…. 0 swing and miss. EVERY SINGLE ONE MADE CONTACT!!! In an era where MLB batting average is nearing 30 year lows. Thats horrible.

Im not saying he should be fired. No not at all. But shall i go down scotts lists of FA/ trade/ extended pitchers? Cobb, Valdez, Verlander, Finnigan, Flarity. Etc.

He needs held more accountable

Yea, the Valdez signing isn’t good but at the time it was lauded as a good signing as he was one of the best FA SP and the Tigers showed they would spend. As Roger says in the article the story isn’t finished with him but year one was bad. But complaining about it now is a lot of hindsight analysis.

Flaherty was good the first go round, no issues there.
Flaherity was bad this year no doubt about it.

But I get it, feel’in your oats now.

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Thats the thing tho.

Sure they are decent signings at the time. However, high risk high reward. And scot has hit on 0 of them. I would understand it more if it was just 1 or two bad signings. But the fact the virtually every pitcher signing has been horrible. It speaks to why the Tigers pitching is so bad. Why they have a billion blown saves.

No more effing Jahmai Jones lecel players and no more 300+PA for McKinstry level players.

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