The fact that good defensive ends were drafted later than #5 in the past has no bearing on the talent that will be available at #5 this year.
If Quinn can’t find a stud at #5, then he should be relieved of his duties ASAP.
It’s not like the Lions are drafting #8 and have to reach for a TE or something crazy like that.
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This might well happen.
Which is why, if I’m BQ, I use as many assets as necessary to address the team’s biggest problem until I’m confident it’s been fixed.
There’s no guarantee he’ll be able to do that standing pat at #5. With his job on the line, he may be looking for a surer bet, with a more immediate payoff
Here’s a couple: OL Tony Mandarich , Green Bay Packers
He was thought of as a generational talent , as Sports Illustrated dubbed him “the best offensive line prospect ever.”
Trent Richardson was touted as a “generational talent” and the “best RB to come out of college since Adrian Peterson”. He had every measurable you could want and a ton of college production backing him.
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And this is what people say every single year. And every single year they are wrong. The chances of this being different would be like “a needle in a hay stack.”
You could just tell Richardson was going to be a bust for some reason.
Mandarich was an anomaly. The guy had everything you could want in an Olineman. That 1989 draft was crazy good at the top. A HOF if overrated QB, the best RB ever, a HOF linebacker, and the best CB ever.
You have a point, Wes but I’ll go back to my argument about the penny stocks. In hindsight, we can say that we should have bought the ones that make it big. The trouble is that we don’t have the benefit of hindsight when making the selection.
With my job on the line, I’m going for the surest bet possible.
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But with the #5 pick in the draft, there are only 4 guys in all of college football that are off limits. You always have to figure at least one of them is going to be a QB. If you can’t find at least a solid guy out of the entire draft class after only 2 or 3 pass rushers have been taken then maybe being an NFL GM isn’t the right job for Quinn.
If the Lions are in the 4th or 5th slot, I would much rather take Brown, and maybe even trade back a couple of picks and get him there.
There seems to be 2 different conversations developing:
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what would you as a fan with long-term interests in the team prefer?
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what will BQ’s thinking be with his job on the line—needing immediate results in 2020?
And the Lions will end up with the 2nd or 3rd overall pick in the draft because I can’t imagine them winning any of the remaining games. The Skins, Dolphins, and Falcons should all win at least 1 more game. The Giants play some pretty bad teams too, but they would have to win 2 of them.
If Quinn and Patricia get fired after this season, the new regime may look at a QB in the first.
If Quinn stays, then they will be looking for a pass rusher
Or the best TE available if they believe Hockenson will have an issue with concussions (just kidding).
If you over pay, you’re just as screwed. You just have a star to tease your fans base with delusions of grandeur that will never come to fruition because you can’t afford to put talent around your superstar.
Have we learned nothing?
They have done several documentaries on Mandarich. The issues with him were 3 fold. Obviously the biggest one was that he was on steroids and wasnt the same guy when he wasnt on them. The second was when he held out for more money and lost all that camp time. The third was he had a super huge drug and alcohol problem that might have killed most average people.
In short, the guy they saw in college wasnt the guy they got.
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We are not talking about a 5th round draft pick. We were talking about the 5th overall pick in the entire draft. These are not penny stocks. And every year it’s the same discussion. And every year, its wrong.
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I was just a kid in the 90s and went to GB to see the Lions. Barry starting ripping off run after run, and a Packer fan near me said: “yeah but we got Mandarich”
Ehhhh a a#5-10 pick isn’t a penny stock. And neither is a 10-20 the next year, which is what we’d be giving up.
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BQ knows that without a better pass rush, he won’t be the one making picks in 2021–meaning he might be more willing to part with future assets for short-term results.
It’s only wrong if you get lucky and Khalil Mack lands in your lap. It’s not wrong if the best guy available @5 is Vernon Gholston.
Which is a bad thing!