I think it’s more likely that we would be giving up 2 top 10 picks. This roster is busted and a lot of our higher paid “leaders” are either often hurt, on the wrong side of 30 or just not that great. We have exactly zero elite players going into next year and about 8 holes in the starting lineup to fill. We have 3 wins for a reason. The roster got significantly worse.
Except good feet
Not necessarily disagreeing—just trying to put myself in the GM’s shoes.
When Khalil Mack “magically” ended up in the Raiders lap, it was a year where some people thought it was Jadaveon Clowney or bust. Again, go back and look at the leagues top pass rushers. Nearly all of them came from the 5th pick or later. We aren’t talking about a Jared Allen situation here. THAT is a needle in a haystack. Even the Chiefs didn’t know what they had when they took Allen. They thought they had a long snapper who could be a rotational DE. We are talking about the 5th overall pick in the entire draft.
And the conversation is the same every year. People think if you don’t get Myles Garrett, Jadaveon Clowney, Mario Williams or Julius Peppers…all is lost. Its not. Never has been and it would be an absolutely anomaly if it ever was.
I do a lot of that too. LOL. I used to be the extreme opposite, then the pendulum swung a looooooong way in the other direction. Now finding much more balance.
Derrick Brown is a much better value and may be sitting there.
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While I admit that i’m not an expert, my lens of the world says Brown is exactly what we need (more than anything/biggest position of need).
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How quickly we forget Josh Allen and the 2019 NFL Draft.
It’s December 8th. The draft is not for another 5 months.
Raiders surprised everyone and took Clelin Ferrell at #4.
Bucs took Devin White at #5.
Then the Giants took Daniel Jones at #6.
Remember the frenzy as Josh Allen was falling to us at # 8?, but the Jaguars swooped in and scooped J.Allen up right before us?
No one saw that coming. No one expected Josh Allen to fall to the 7th pick. But he did.
I’m not saying that Chase Young will fall to us on Draft day. The point is…let’s not assume anything about Chase Young and the NFL draft just yet. He may be sitting there for us in April and no trade up needed. But I honestly don’t see Bob Quinn trading up to the top of the draft for a pass rusher. It’s a franchise QB or nothing when discussing a trade up in the top 5 of the draft.
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People do it every year. And while its not the same people every year, they just need to let the data guide them. Its just funny to hear every year “this time its different!” Yeah, people said that in 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001…
And regardless of the results of the 2020 draft, when we are discussing the 2021 draft it will be the same thing all over again.
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Likely true, man. I want a time machine to have a young Suh!
I am aware of what I see, but I am also aware that literally trust other peopel more than myself, on certain issues/topics.
Philosophically, I love a nasty ass DL. I was SO happy watching
Jones/Fairley/Suh/Ansah with Levy behind them. I have flashbacks of it all the time.
I call it Post Estatic Happiness Disorder
So you think Chase Young is single-handedly going to save BQ’s job?
I’ll be honest, the whole penny stocks analogy is about as bad of an analogy as I’ve seen on this or the prior forums. You probably would have been better-off just stating your case instead of trying to make some analogy (that doesn’t work) to make everyone wrong who doesn’t agree with you.
CY is an awesome talent, I won’t argue that. But for arguments sake, what trade-ups in history have really worked-out best for the team trading-up?..I’m asking, more out of curiosity than anything else.
Ricky Williams, anyone?!?!
John Elway.
Carson Wentz
Eli Manning
You don’t trade up in the top 5 to take anyone other than a QB.
Yeah, that’s kind of what I was thinking too.
There have been some trade ups that worked out, but part of the equation is obviously what you consider “success.” Earl Campbell, Eric Dickerson, Tony Dorsett, Carson Wentz, Joe Flacco, Jerry Rice and Julio Jones were all trade ups.
Julio Jones
EDIT, my bad, Jones went @ 6
The only time you would trade up into the top 5 is for an impact QB talent or if you determine that the player is that impactful to what you can get with the resources. The best example would be Julio Jones (technically #6) where Atlanta got a huge impact talent in a draft that was incredibly talented at the top and what they gave up was reasonable. This is very rare. This year the difference between Young and the other top defensive talents isn’t significant, so there is no value in a move.
It doesn’t really matter. The difference between 5 and 6 is arbitrary or circumstantial.
Seattle trades up to get Shawn Springs…that worked out
Rams traded to #1 overall to get Orlando Pace. Baltimore trades to #5 to draft Jamal Lewis
For the most part I agree with your reasoning, but technically only Wentz was actually traded up for before the draft. Elway was drafted by the Colts and refused to play for them and then traded later to the Broncos. Eli Manning was drafted by the Chargers but then traded about an hour later to the Giants. So technically neither one of those teams traded up, they simply executed trades afterwards
Conversely, quarterbacks who actually fit your trade up scenario would include Jared Goff in the same draft year as Wentz as well as Mitch trubisky