I’ll be honest, I don’t think you caught the point.
Lower picks work out less often than higher picks. (Just like penny stocks are less likely to make money than established stocks). Since pass rush is our biggest need (and BQ’s job is on the line), trading future assets for a chance @ CY’s is feasible if his grade is significantly higher than the next pass rusher on our board. Esp if we fail to address the position in free agency.
The talent evaluators that I trust disagree.
Coming from a trained statistician, this statement is meaningless. Data doesn’t guide anything. The statistician decides what is signal and what is noise, projecting their values and biases onto the findings.
He fully understood what you were saying, because the guy understands football. We go head to head and joke with eachother, but it comes from a knowledgeable place. There is nothing you said that is lost on him…absolutely zero. When you talk about the 5th overall pick in the draft being a “penny stock,” you are going to lose just about every person who actually follows football and the draft.
You should go ahead and fire your talent evaluators.
This sounds like every other year. If someone other than Chase Young is a successful pass rusher, are you going to make sure to come back and apologize to the board?
What does this even mean?
Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks, are ex-NFL scouts and the best in the business. Both have said CY will be better than the Bosa brothers.
Who is the next best pass rusher in this class? I don’t care who you name, they are not in the same class as the Bosas.
No because the lower we take one, the less likely they are to be good. There may be some good ones out there but if you plan to wait, you have less chance of getting a good one.
Your first mistake is to listen to TV personalities and take their hype seriously. No they are nowhere near top talent evaluators. If you don’t watch the players yourself and are skilled enough to evaluate them you are not in position to have a strong opinion.
Again, if you weren’t trying to straw man you would see the point isn’t that the 5th pick is a penny stock. It’s that higher draft picks are safer investments than lower draft picks. Pretty tough to argue with that, unless you’re trying to twist the point…
I have watched the tape and my evaluation is backed up by guys that have collected a paycheck from an NFL team for evaluating college prospects. Can you say the same?
With your extensive film study, who was your 2nd and 3rd rated pass rushers? Why do you feel they will not be successful in the NFL?
You are saying the correct words, but not understanding the overall lesson.
Wait, did you just say that using your own words is a straw man?
Epenesa and Gross-Matos: both could be good. I actually really like Epenesa but his game is more like Flowers—versatile and productive but not going to give you 10 sacks. I wouldn’t risk my job on either improving the pass rush in 2020.
Saying “you don’t get it” (and nothing more) is not a strong argument
Yes, re-arranging someone’s words to make their point weaker is straw-manning.
Tre was recovering early, and not up to speed but still has 7 sacks with 4 games to go! We get him some help, I think he’ll snag 10, next season!
I’m loving that dude…but not in a romantic type of way
Thank you for sharing.
I didn’t say “you don’t get it.” What I said was that you are using the correct words, but not understanding the underlying lesson.
I literally used your own words.
My pleasure.
Understanding and agreeing are different things, as you mentioned above.
“Julio Jones is not a quality player” These are your words from this thread. Now they might not have been written in that order, in that context, or communicated with that intent…but who is counting? According to you, I should have free reign to repackage your words and respond the weakest possible version of your words.
No problem.
Some things are up for agreement and disagreement, and some things are not.
Would you like to address where I invented your penny stock analogy?
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Who decides what these things are and where is the list?
You didn’t invent the analogy, you just intentionally twisted the meaning in order to strengthen your position. The point of the analogy was that some investments are safer than others. Not that the 5th pick is equivalent in value to a penny stock.
We can go head to head if you would like. What’s the criteria you would like to use? The idea that pass rushers are available at pick #5 and lower doesn’t seem like a hard position to take. Saying “I disagree” isn’t a strong position to take. You wanna take that position and see how it plays out?
I didn’t twist anything. It was your analogy. But rather than back off of it, you are saying people are twisting your words. The #5 overall pick is in no way, shape or form a penny stock. The fact that you even put out the analogy is mind boggling. The fact that you appear to stand by that analogy is even more confusing.
I don’t want anything to do with your head. Please put it away.
I stand by the analogy because my point was tough to refute. Some investments are safer than others. In my evaluation, CY is the surest solution to our biggest need. And because of that, I would understand if BQ wanted to mortgage a future 1st in order to save his job. There are players I really like who will be available @5 (such as Brown, Epenesa, and Okudah) but I don’t view any of them as immediate answers to our pass rush woes.
You stand by your analogy, but when someone repeats it you say they are twisting your words.