He struggled a lot after Davis went down… which makes sense.
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Yes, but by no fault of his own. The constant barrage of DPI calls (many of them absurd) forced him to give too much cushion to WRs and ended up making him a bit too hesitant to make plays. We ended up seeing him get torched a few times in the following weeks as a result. There was a definite regression midseason. He picked it up in the final weeks of the year when he finally got the confidence back to stick closer to WRs again, which is a great sign.
I believe he’s got the talent to be a #1 CB in the league. I think he’s just got to work on tracking the ball in the air as he’s defending downfield.
I think a lot of Dan talking up rookies is to boost their confidence, which is exactly what a good coach should do.
He did. I thought he was sold against Minny. He had the one terrible rep in cover at Chicago although I’m not sure who all that was on him. I thought he did fine otherwise from what I can remember Everyone struggled @SF.
Most rookie CBs are bad and he was bad to average.
With 1st rounders you hope to pick the diamond and get the outlier rookie CB. Arnold was not that.
He never had any splash plays and was abused a lot.
Hope he is better next year.
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This is an odd thread. Maybe it was the result of so many injuries that I squinted for bright spots, but I thought Terrion was solid. He alway seemed sticky, to the point I didn’t worry about who he was covering.
Worst since Okudah? Huh?
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Very overrated. Mikey or cooper should have been the pick. Holmes had a millen draft. Nothing from enis and traded it up for a no one. Btw wouldn’t trade Holmes for nothing, but wasn’t his draft
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Did you see him on the 4 th down ,I dont trust him much now .
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my sentiments exactly. He’s light years ahead of where Slay was at this point in his carer.
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I disagree, I think it’s a great thread. I started it without any opinion in order to allow people to share how they felt rather than respond to the OP’s opinion.
It’s ok to believe in his long term potential while acknowledging it was a bumpy rookie season. I thought that 4th down play against the Commies was indicative of how his progress seemed to plateau (rookie wall?). The light bulb never seemed to quite turn on. I was hoping for a bit more growth throughout the season - but at the same time he was a day 1 starter for a 15 win club. If that’s the floor for him it’s still a solid pick ya know?
And yes I also get that it’s a position that’s tough on rookies - but it’s a tricky eval when you compare him to Mitchell from Philly taken 2 picks earlier. Mitchell has been a Pro Bowl CB since game 1 and honestly would have helped this secondary immensely.
Overall this seemed to be a solid start for Arnold. Given the development of Branch and Kerby we can hope Arnold levels up in years 2 and 3 even further like these guys did with their development.
That was the first thing I thought about when @CuriousHusker mentioned contain issues in a post.above.
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I don’t think Mitchell would be the same guy here in Detroit. Not to say he’s not a good player, because he is. But AG’s system is tough on CBs. It’s a tough task to stay in man to man as much as the Lions do. Even tougher when you get zero help from the front seven in pressuring the QB.
I think Terrion would look a lot better as the season went on if the front 7 wasn’t absolutely decimated by injuries and could generate even consistent pressure throughout the season.
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Just to throw some stats behind this:
Mitchell played only 25.3 of his snaps in man (79th most in the NFL) and when he was in man, he allowed a QB Rating of 117.7 (95th in the NFL)
Arnold played 47.1% of his snaps in man (6th most in the NFL - 2 of the other in front of him are Amik and Vildor. CD3 was #8. Yes, 4 Lions CBs in the top 8 of % of snaps in man coverage) and allowed a QB Rating of 78.2 (31st in the NFL)
And this doesn’t even take into account how much better the Philly defense is at rushing the passer than the Lions were this year. Mitchell had a good year in the system he’s in, but he would’ve looked a lot worse in Detroit and probably worse than Arnold did this year.
EDIT: Crazy stat, looking at this further. Terrion was targetted the most in the league while in man coverage (60) and only allowed 1 TD. Quinyon was targeted 16 times in man coverage and gave up 2 TDs.
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I think he will be better year 2, needs more PT, reps, and experience.
I think he played like a rookie, at times. I like his skill set and stickiness. He was getting much more dialed in by mid season.
I think he’s ahead of the curve.
Keeper!
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He gets way better when we actually start getting at the QBs next season. Hutch being back will sort that. Smith gets way better when they have Hutch to worry about.
At worst we have a solid number 2 corner for the medium term. I think he has flashed plenty of promise as a cover corner as a rookie and expect he will take a step forward next year.
If we have him and Mahoganey as productive stsrters next year with Rakestraw and Wingo as solid rotational pieces and Vaki an ace special teams player which he is then I think that would be good return from the class after 2 years.
Who knows what Manu is going to be.
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This rookie was not impressive. The last game vs commanders he basically let Daniel’s walk into the end zone. The game is too fast for him.
He’s already saying he’s going to be the best CB in the NFL.
He was very average at best. Got to give him 3 years. Like anyone.
Listen to Brad.
He is everything we needed. He has the Detroit Makeup. Never being a true lockdown 1 is really hard to say at this juncture of a person’s career. People never though Slay would be a true lockdown 1 after year 1.
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He had an above average year for a rookie CB. That’s fine. He could have been Revis and it wouldn’t have mattered by the end.
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