Honestly, even if we don’t do it this year I feel finding a Decker level OT - which is plenty good enough - should be doable. He’s not quite the Dalton line at OT, but probably just above it.
Like Andy Dalton? Is Andy Dalton now football’s Mario Mendoza but meaning JAG rather than terrible?
Btw, I’m old enough to remember when it was incredibly rare for someone to be below the Mendoza line.
I watched him play with the Pirates. Kind of a slick fielder but yeah that 200 AVG was pretty certain.
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In that scenario I would take Starks, Simmons, or Egbuka. I get JTT and I like him, but considering the talent still on the board that seems like a reach even though we need help there.
Ha, that’s from the old Around the NFL Podcast, it was Chris Wesseling’s QB line for at or above it and you can win with the guy, below it and he’s gotta go.
I think there’s a good chance he goes earlier than expected. The anonymous scouts who talk about him are really effusive with their praise.
He very well might. Hard to tell how teams think because we alway see surprises in the draft. I stand by picking one of those 3 players if that scenario played out that way
I would have Starks very high as well, it would probably come down to him or JTT for me (though I REALLY love Winston later at S and think he’s a better fit on our roster).
The patellar tendon thing with Simmons spooks me too much. No one’s ever come back from it. At least not to be the player they once were. I don’t want to bet on that drastic of an outlier.
I really really like Egbuka, and so will our staff, but man he’s just so superfluous with ARSB (that’s often his comp!). It’s gonna really crowd the short areas of the field. I think Egbuka can operate a little deeper than ARSB, but not by much.
Probably why the We Are Family team was the year after he left.
Ok. I think it’s harder to find that level of OT than that level of QB. There are always Andy Dalton level guys around. Meanwhile half the league would kill for a Taylor Decker.
Also if were looking at a big strong side edge I actually prefer Landon Jackson over JTT. That’s more preferential to me. I was more impressed with his “edge” wins than JTT
I’m a cardinal fan and it was normal for us last year to march out line ups every day with 7 out 9 below the Mendoza line.
I still think the replacement for Decker will be Sewell. The RT will be Manu or someone else.
Don’t fully agree on Egbuka. A creative coordinator can easily make that work. Egbuka has a bit more deep ability than ARSB, but has more than enough ability to operate short and intermediate which for us is much more important since that’s where majority of plays operate
Ha, see I think that’s basically saying the same thing. Maybe right now half the league wouldn’t kill for a Dalton, but at his peak (when the Dalton line came into effect) he was right there in that 15/16/17th best QB level. Also there’s like 20 of those guys in the world, I don’t think they’re THAT easy to find. The Giants would love to find someone to give them peak Dalton.
I’ve said a few times recently that one think I like about Jackson is his ability to finish. That’s a skill and a lot of guys don’t have it, but you could see it with Jackson easily enough at the Senior Bowl. He closes quickly and importantly, actually gets the QB on the ground.
However I think he’s VERY stiff, and he’ll disappear for large swathes of games too. I would also be really, really worried about him keeping contain. You think mobile QBs kill us now, it would get even worse with Jackson in the lineup. None of those are a concern with JTT, though he doesn’t give you the upside actually sacking the QB. But I don’t think he’s as bad as some people say either. I wouldn’t be shocked if he was a 10-12 sack/year guy, and that would be absolutely perfect for us.
Right then we disagree, which is fine. The vast majority of his production came out of the slot, but I don’t think you’re having him run deep crossers or flags/posts/etc… very often. Basically, all the stuff we ask Patrick to do. Egbuka is best winning quickly, and in the same areas ARSB, Gibbs, and LaPorta operate. I don’t want to draft a WR that makes that part of the field even more crowded, so for me we need an outside guy.
So is that Andy Dalton quote from year 3 Andy Dalton or something.
Bc it’s been forever since Andy Dalton was even close to a top 15 QB.
On Landon Jackson. He would be a 100 percent edge for me(Davenport role) and I wouldn’t kick him inside at all. IMO he’s a better “edge” than JTT at the moment. Where he’s not very good at is when he gets kicked inside because he gets stood up pretty easily due to his leverage issues. As a 5 though he’s shown numerous times he knows how to use his length. I don’t know I have less concerns with Landon when he’s playing the 5 specifically.
On Egbuka. That’s fine and there are concerns there. Totally understand that he’s played in the slot primarily. I just think he’s talented enough to play to play a little X and Z. Not the best fit, but I would be moving him around quite a bit.
I guess it would have been around 2015ish? Maybe 2016. But they carried the Dalton line as “mid-QB” until they day the show ended last year.
I wasn’t cool enough to be listening to Podcasts back then.
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Oh yeah, I wouldn’t play Jackson inside at all. And frankly his ugly reps are probably uglier than most (like his Senior Bowl day 1 stuff, especially against Ersery) and he probably gets unfairly punished for it. Just like the guys with elite highlights get too much of a bump (looking in Savion Williams’s direction here).
But I do think the lack of sand in his pants really shows up sometimes. There’s a surprising lack of power to his game for his size, except when he can bring his upper body to bear (which he’s able to do at a good clip). But there’s not nearly as much bull-rushing on his tape as you’d expect.
And I can’t get visions of Daniels just killing us when he loses contain. If we take him, the coaches are gonna have to hammer that point home.
(I also don’t love that his injury history is neck-related, hopefully our FO is exceedingly thorough with that one, unlike the Levi pick).
However, as a pure pass-rusher I do agree he’s better than some of the guys I have above him overall, including JTT. And he’s still 49th on my board overall, so it’s not like I hate him. That ability to close is really impactful.