By some metrics, yes.
By others, no.
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Maye doesn’t have a genius play caller? Josh Mcdaniels has multiple super bowls as an OC. Not a great HC but is certainly an elite level playcaller.
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Those 6 QBs are the only ones in history to have 45 or more tds with 4600 or more yards and won 11 or more games, and had fewer than 10 ints. They all won league MVP. Except Brees who happened to do it in the same year as rogers. So to instead give the MVP to someone else who has 15 fewer tds is crazy.. Many people have had similar to Drake Maye’s stats like every year. Its good, but not one of the best seasons ever..
Removing the 6 easiest teams from both
Stafford: ARZ, SF, TEN, IND
Maye: MIA, NYJ, TEN, CIN
Stafford vs Maye
Comp: 63.7% < 69.2%
Pas yrds 2825 < 2920
TD 27 > 19
Int 7= 7
Rating 102.1 < 109.0
For those wondering the opponents
Seattle 2x vs Buf 2x (tough divisional games wash)
All of the NFC South (wash)
Baltimore & Baltimore (wash)
Houston vs Cleveland (both top 5 defenses)
So the difference is
PHI/ JAX/ DET vs PIT/ NYG/ LVR
So yes it’s very very similar and Maye was more impressive,
With a WORSE Offensive Line,
Not nearly as good as a WR core.
TD is such a bad stat to make an argument on.
Because its so circumstantial. How many of those were when it was goal to go throwing in a tight window
Vs
The WR making a play and running it in.
and just looking I believe 8 of staffords TDS were in garbage time. Already up 2 scores under 5 minutes. In blowout games.
And Maye’s TDs against the Jets aren’t garbage time? Even trying to remove games in the schedule to make it more of an even comparison is difficult.. Here we are equating The Texans Defense and the Browns, and counting facing Buffalo the same as facing Seattle, and saying the playing SF twice is an easy game? While comparing that to the damn dolphins or bengals?
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Sf was bottom 4 in the NFL in pass defense. Thats a fact.
Cleveland is top 10 in pass defense
Who had better stats in every category other than TDs? Maye
Who has a worse team over all? Maye.
The point of the schedule thing is lets not pretend Stafford didnt have 5-6 cupcakes statt padding games in there
Stafford had a season that only MVP players have ever had in history. And if you want to discount it because they scored some tds throwing instead of running while close.. they made those plays. Its hard to throw perfect fades against tight coverage. Lots of teams don’t even do it anymore because it takes precision.
Talking about Stafford Stat padding while playing the toughest division in football while Drake Maye played the easiest schedule in 30 years in the entire NFL is absurd. Stafford had games throwing for 460 and 3tds against seattle’s defense. He played well against the Eagles, the texans, etc. Maye is racking up numbers against the Jets, Dolphins, Bengals, etc. There are arguments to make in the debate, but padding numbers for stafford isn’t one of them. Not when hes playing big time games each week while Maye is playing a laughable schedule
Not to McVay’s level, no. In fact a lot of people doubted the hiring because he doesn’t (or didn’t) employ a lot of what worked in today’s game. I thought that was a little harsh, and I still think he’s fine as a playcaller, and most importantly he calls the sort of conservative game Vrabel likes. But he is not an elite playcaller at all.
But McVay might be the best play schemer in the league.
Those are cherry-picked stats. @DBend144 has posted a lot of stats where Maye had the better year, and only two other QBs have ever had that combo of numbers, both of them MVPs too (Lamar and Mahomes).
They both had very, very good years.
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Sure you could say these are cherry picked stats, but yards and points are the top 2 there. Which is universally what we use to measure offenses, defenses, etc. And again anyone that has ever hit those numbers has won mvp in the history of the league. (with the exception of Drew Brees who again happened to do it in the same year as rodgers)
Rams really fell off the last month. I think Maye gets it.
If you were talking about teams and arguing who did better offensively.. and 1 team had the most yards and a much higher point total.. wouldn’t you say they were the best? That is what we are talking about comparing the stats with Stafford and Maye. He had more yards, and a lot more points. And he happened to do it against tougher competition. You could argue he had more help, but I think then it would be at least a wash with Maye facing way easier opponents.
And anyone with the combination of stats @DBend144 posted earlier has won MVP in the history of the league, with no exceptions.
Point is, they were both really, really excellent and both deserving.
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People are desperately reaching to find stats that try to legitimize this even being a debate. Dude has 15 more TD’s, #1 offense in the league against the toughest schedule. His season was a historic season, only a handful of QB’s have accomplished over 4500 yards, over 40 TD’s to 8 nit’s. Goff has more TD passes than Maye and Goff is tied for 7th in the league. The last QB who didn’t win MVP after leading the league in TD passes was Brees who lost to Rodgers. Rodgers had 45 TD’s passes that year. 31 TD passes gets you in the conversation for MVP in a passing league? Sure if it was the 90’s I could see the argument.
Gotta be Stafford.
He was a quadriplegic in the preseason, then came back to be an extreme-mogger qb
Amazing stuff
My vote would be for Stafford. But history says that MVPs come from the top seeds. Last 5 seed to win mvp was in 2008.
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Stafford played better than Maye, but Maye was more valuable to his team’s success.
Go Stafford!