Personally i think people are reaching for stats to support Maye’s cause.
The only reason Maye is considered is because Stafford threw 3 INT’s against ATL in a meaningless game. If he didn’t then he’d only have 5 INT’s. He threw 25 straight TD’s without an INT. The guy only had two INT’s for the first 11 games.
Its an entire season that counts not the last two meaningless games.
For me Maye is a good QB who had a good season and his team had a good season, but it’s not MVP level. It’s unremarkable. It’s almost as if he was picked because there was no one else. If Goff won more games he should be above Maye.
Stafford had a very special season. Its hard to wrap my mind around a QB leading the league in passing yards with 4,700, and TD’s 46, throw 25 straight TD’s for 8 weeks, break all-time records, move past other HOF’ers on the list, win 12 games, and not win MVP. Thats mind blowing.
I think Stafford will win it because he had a great year, he’s well respected, and enough voters will want to reward the old guy over the 2nd-year they assume will have many more chances to win it.
But Maye deserves it. He did more (wins) with MUCH less. Compare the WRs each worked with. Or consider the fact that Maye got sacked literally twice as often as Stafford did.
And the “softer schedule” thing is only partly right. It helps explain the Pats’ high win total; it does not help explain Maye’s performance. Fact is that they faced pass defenses of very similar quality.
Stafford bolstered his stats - or, rather, McVay did - with a lot of goalline TD throws compared to Maye. Against Arizona in Week 18, for example, Matt had 4 TD throws, including a 1-yarder and a 2-yarder. Peyton Manning, who had carte blanche to call his own number down the stretch of his career, feasted on short TD passes.
Truth is that if it’s 1st-and-goal from the 1, to take the extreme case, a team’s gonna score the TD 95% of the time regardless of run or pass. Even with the Lions being the top-scoring offense in the league over the last 3 years, and being very good in the red zone overall, Jared hasn’t gone over 40 TD passes largely because - relative to Mahomes and the Chiefs, say - the Lions run it in from close much more. So JG doesn’t get to pump up his numbers the way someone like Mahomes has for years.
And then I dunno if anyone has alluded to the fact that Maye added 450 yds, 38 1st downs and 4 TDs rushing, whereas Stafford (like our own guy)…
Stafford - 4,708 total yds, 46 TDs
Maye - 4,844 total yds, 35 TD
I find it interesting that many of the exact same posters who knock Goff vs “super hero” QBs… keep only comparing Maye’s passing numbers vs Stanford’s?
Truly amazing that posters who are “Detroit fans” love Staffords passings #s and 1 total rushing yard… hate Goffs mobility?
I think Matt deserves the aware…. But I also believe that Maye is LA wins more games than Stafford does with that cast in NE
This town is hard on QBs and goalies…. Probably why Matt wanted out, he did all he could and still got blame…. I loved the guy, but he wanted out. Sorry… I don’t have the nostalgia for the comeback wins in 6-10 seasons that some do. He was my favorite player while here, and then I got the scoop how bad he wanted out… years before he actually got out.
I’m simply laughing that wins and total yards and tds are being ignored in this thread…. Since you want to make it about passing stats… let’s agree Goff is top 2-3… if passing stats don’t matter… then Maye did more with less and did it with arms and legs?
FYI for the maye backers who say that Stafford padded his stats with 1 yard TDS.. The rams had more rushing TDS than the patriots as well. So the real issue is that the rams just scored a lot more tds. Maybe they should have been better in the redzone
Johnny Unitas, OJ Simpson and Peyton Manning were the only players to win an MVP while their team did not win the division. I think Maye did more for his team. The Rams were loaded with Nacua and Adams, etc. I bet @stephenboyd57 could have hit Adams on 10 of his tuddies considering how wide open he was.
If you swap the two quarterbacks I have no doubt Stafford wins that division against that hilarious schedule. If Drake Maye is the QB of the Rams this season, I could see them missing the playoffs all together.
People do not seriously think Drake Maye is all of a sudden one of the best 3-4 QBs in the NFL do they? I love the kid and might pick him over any QB in the league to build a franchise around. But you can’t seriously believe part of the reason they won that division isn’t due to the one of the easiest schedules of all time. Also being overlooked is adding an excellent coach in Mike Vrabel.
You are delusional. Maye played the easiest schedule in the last 50 years in terms of opponent Win% and the 10th easiest all-time. They played 10 of their 17 games vs teams picking 11th or higher in the draft (8 of the worst 11 teams in football and 2 of them twice lol). And they played only 4 games against playoff teams including the Steelers and Panthers who currently hold the 13th and 14th best odds win the SB.
It’s the easiest schedule if ever seen.
I’m not saying Maye isn’t worthy of the award because he is…but only if Stafford in fact missed the season with that back injury that was rumored to keep him from playing at all.
I don’t really see the contradiction you’re pointing out.
Out-of-structure value has never meant “QB has rushing yards.” It means what the QB can do when the play breaks down. For Stafford, that’s always shown up through his arm, pocket movement, and willingness to make throws when the structure fails. He never needed designed runs or scramble stats for that.
So comparing Stafford’s passing numbers to Maye’s isn’t ignoring out-of-structure play like running at all. In Stafford’s case, that value is literally baked into the passing production, especially when you factor in the environments he’s played in over his career.
That’s different from mobility for mobility’s sake. Stafford didn’t run, Brady didn’t run, but both added value outside structure because they could still make plays when things went sideways.
And honestly, I agree with one part of what you said. We did watch Stafford for years with subpar casts and coaches, and the offense stayed viable anyway. That’s not hypocrisy from people pointing it out now. That’s actually the reason those traits get valued in the first place.
Well, if you’re argument is true you’d have to then comparing Staffords Passing PLUS rushing to Maye’s Passing PLUS rushing. If you compare passsing to passing, and you are claming 99% of Staf’s “out-of-structure” is passing, it IS ignoring Maye’s out-of-structure contribution. So, you’d have to compare Staffprd/Maye’s rushing stats WITH their passig stats. People are conveniently ignoring Maye’s rushing stats as if that’s not part of being a QB.
I’m not ignoring it, I agree - I’m just pushing back against Goff defenders trying to find hypocrisy because people dare to point out that out of structure play has value.
