2024 Detroit Tigers final grades Detroit News

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What this out-of-nowhere dash out of irrelevance and into the postseason for the first time in 10 years means is, finally, the Detroit Tigers baseball organization is headed certifiably in the right direction. It means that what Harris outlined two years ago in his introductory press conference, things that some sniggered at, is happening right before our eyes.

:arrow_forward: Goal One: Acquire, develop and retain young talent. Check. The Tigers, as Harris pointed out, reached the postseason with the youngest team in baseball. The organization now boasts a top-rated farm system, rich with seven top-100 prospects that posted the best minor-league winning percentage across all levels in the industry.

:arrow_forward: Goal Two: Create a culture of development. Check. Harris used Parker Meadows as an example, and rightly so after he was sent down to Toledo in April with an OPS-plus of 50 and finished the season making game-saving catches and game-winning hits and posting a final OPS-plus of 109. But you can go up and down the roster citing examples, including the crop of young pitchers who were struggling in Triple A, but turned the season around in Detroit in bulk-reliever roles.

:arrow_forward: Goal Three: Dominate the strike zone on both sides of the ball. Partial check. The Tigers, who ranked in the top five in baseball in most pitching categories, were among the league leaders in throwing first-pitch strikes and working in advantageous counts. They issued the second-fewest walks and had the second-lowest WHIP in the American League behind Seattle in both categories.

The offensive side of that equation is still a work in progress, as painfully evidenced by the 16 strikeouts and 39 swings and misses in the Game 5 loss. But overall, throughout the season and especially from August on, the quality of at-bats improved significantly.

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# 2024 Detroit Tigers final grades: Pitchers
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:arrow_forward: Reese Olson (4-8, 3.53): A shoulder strain limited him to four regular-season starts after the All-Star break, but he made two strong outings against the Guardians in the ALDS (two runs in nine innings) and established himself as a mainstay in the rotation. He had 51% ground-ball rate this year and a 32% chase rate. His slider, which has an elite plus-8 run value according to Statcast, limited hitters to a .143 average with a 45% whiff rate. He got a 42% whiff rate with his changeup.

Highest grade for any reliever was a B.

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I don’t think he grades the Twins absolutely collapsing tho. :slight_smile:

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# 2024 Detroit Tigers final grades: Position players
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:arrow_forward: Spencer Torkelson, .219/.295/.374, 89 OPS-plus: He left broken in June and came back two-plus months later a whole lot better, on both sides of the ball. He hit .248 with a .781 OPS with six doubles, six homers and 19 RBIs from Aug. 17 on. There was never going to be enough time to fully salvage his season, but did he do enough to be given the first base job heading into camp? President Scott Harris didn’t indicate as much, saying only that this would be an important offseason for Torkelson and that he’d have to come to camp and earn the everyday spot. He is only 25 and nobody is giving up on him. But 1,469 plate appearances into his big-league career, it’s time for him to establish himself as a middle-of-the-order run producer.

Mid-term grade: D

Final grade: C-minus

:arrow_forward: Colt Keith, .260/.309/.380, 96 OPS-plus: Simply put, he had the best rookie season of any Tigers position player since Nick Castellanos back in 2014, banging out 134 hits with 32 extra-base hits and 61 RBIs. He had 35 multi-hit games, tied for most among American League rookies. He admitted to wearing down some physically late in September and into the postseason. But that only manifested itself in his power numbers. He had just four extra-base hits, one homer, after Aug. 24. His most impressive feat, though, might’ve been his growth at second base. He improved his range and especially his pivots on double-play balls.

Mid-term grade: B-minus

Final grade: B-minus

:arrow_forward: Jace Jung, .241/.362/.304, 93 OPS-plus: Every team needs a junkyard dog and this is the Tigers’ version. He will scrap and he will fight and whatever he lacks in natural athleticism, he makes up for with an indomitable will to succeed. He’s still raw defensively and he probably needs another couple hundred at-bats in Triple-A, as evidenced by his 31% strikeout rate in 94 plate appearances. Also, he hit just .190 with a 34.5% strikeout rate against four-seam fastballs. But the makeup is real, and his 16% walk rate and .362 on-base average are encouraging.

Mid-term grade: N/A

Final grade: Inc.

:arrow_forward: Parker Meadows, .244/.310/.433, 109 OPS-plus: If he wasn’t stealing home runs in the outfield, he was swatting two-strike, two-out game-winning hits and homers. He was at the center of just about every dramatic win the Tigers had down the stretch, the pinnacle being his ninth-inning grand slam in San Diego. Here’s all you need to know about his impact: The Tigers were 54-28 with him in the lineup. He had an OPS-plus of 50 when he was sent to Toledo in April. He finished with an OPS-plus of 109 after slashing .296/.340/.500 in the final 47 games. He had a productive postseason, too (7-for-26, two doubles and a homer). One of the joys of this season was seeing him blossom after struggling so badly in April.

Mid-term grade: D-plus

Final grade: B-plus

:arrow_forward: Riley Greene, .262/.348/.479, 133 OPS-plus: An All Star in his age-23 season and yet it still feels like he’s not even close to reaching his full potential. That bountiful upside is what’s so exciting about Greene’s robust talent and quest for greatness. For most of the season, opposing managers structured their bullpens around his late-game at-bats. He was the guy in the lineup they wouldn’t let beat them. And still he found a way to be productive. A hamstring strain interrupted his second half and he struggled in August. But in crunch time in September, he stepped up (.343 on-base, .837 OPS, four doubles, five homers, 18 RBIs, 15 runs scored). He was a plus-14 runs defensive saved in left field and was one of the Tigers’ best hitters in the ALDS (5-for-17 with three walks).

Mid-term grade: B-plus

Final grade: B

1bmen that had a season OPS over .781?

Harper, Freeman, Vlad, Christian Walker and Alonso. The end.

Giant group in the .730-.780 range.

Pretty down year for 1b

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How many had a six week stretch with an OPS over .781? (i.e. Tork only did that for six weeks). I’m not optimistic about Tork, but would love to be wrong.

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Yea used to be a top hitters position… A lot more teams using 1st as a platoon position. One dude faces lefties…the other faces righties.

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For sure, and a few weeks ago I talked about how torques big year last year really was only a two month hot streak and that again in the second half so he really is coming into his make or break here as far as I think as the organization will view him has a long-term asset.

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Exactly.
Team cannot afford another slow start, great run to end the season (team not Tork) but playoffs are never guarranteed.

Freep article…

The Tigers ranked fifth in defensive runs saved.

Here’s the performance at each position: plus-1 from pitchers, plus-11 from catchers, plus-4 from first basemen, minus-2 from second basemen, minus-13 from third basemen, plus-4 from shortstops, plus-5 from left fielders, plus-5 from center fielders and plus-2 from right fielders. The top three defensive runs saved leaders: Greene (plus-14 in left field), Jake Rogers (plus-13 at catcher) and Parker Meadows (plus-5 in center field in just over half a season).

The Tigers particularly struggled at third base, with Jace Jung, Gio Urshela, Zach McKinstry and Matt Vierling to blame. The outfield was better than the infield, in part because of the glaring hole at third base, but there were positive signs from the other three infield positions.

First baseman Spencer Torkelson unearthed the ability to make routine plays upon his mid-August return from Triple-A Toledo (finishing at plus-2 DRS), second baseman Colt Keith improved throughout the second half of the season (finishing at minus-8 DRS) and shortstop Trey Sweeney provided himself as a steady presence in the final six weeks (finishing at plus-3 DRS).

They definitely need to have some better hitting. Go out and get a couple of hitters.

I get the matchup thing for sure. Its the tigers secret sauce. Controlling the rotations. However you still need MULTIPLE guys with a .750+ OPS. Like 8+ on the roster,
Then 2-4 with over .800.
With out that they will keep hitting the same wall they did all season as well as the wall they hit vs Cle. Leaving too many players in scoring position and having hitting droughts. Especially if the Worst player in modern baseball history biaz is still on the team.

Top 13 batters for Det, Lad, and NYY. To compare.

Batting average
DET, .234, LAD, .264 NYY .254

OPS
DET .682 LAD .765 NYY.740

Number of players with over .900 OPS
DET 1, LAD 5 NYY 3

Number of players with over .700 OPS
DET 4, LAD 9, NYY 6

As you can see Tigers need to add at least 2 more GREAT batters and 1-2 more above average batters just to get into the conversation of deep playoff run

I think they will add one or two bats at most, FA or trade.
They will also look for many of the young guys to continue to improve to fill the spots you reference.

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This screams Bregman. Loudly.

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The Dodgers arent a great defensive team and the Yankees suck, so they have decided to mash.

We dont need to catch their offensive output because they both have so much more financial ability, we never will.

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The point still stands. You CANNONT make a deep playoff run with out hitting.

Ill look through all the playoff teams i bet your bottom dollar tigers will be near the bottom for OPS.

As for the money thing.
Estimated payroll for 2025
~$80m
$25 for Biaz
$11 for skubal
$10 for Maeda
<$4m for Keith

Everyone else is payed pennies.
Tax limit is $241m!
AVERAGE is $170m!

I am NOT saying Detroit should spend $300m like the Yankees or even close to the tax limit like the Dodgers.
But can we get above average please!
$170m-$200m is the ideal window
So thats roughly $100M!!! To spend on a few bats and a arm or 2.

And dont give me that the tigers dont have the money.

Breathe dog…

They should spend at least 60m, with closer to your number if they extend Skub.

Bat, bat 2 and #2SP seems to be baked in (I hope).

3b and RF/DH look like the positions for the.bats, as I think they like Sweeney ( and McGonigle in mid late 26) to feel like they have that position farm covered.

Im sure they like Vierling, Perez and JHM, but they are better platoon guys. Not all 3 will stick out of camp I dont think. Could be a trade for Bat2.

SP2 plenty to choose from. Good year for that.

Bregman Flaherty and trade for Castellanos? Skub pushes that to $110m of additions and total payroll to about $180m. Maybe go cheaper at RF/DH trade than 2 /40 on Nick.

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The $80M INCLUDES skubal.
Currently arbitration is set at $11m OR they could extend him which by many estimates say around $22m. So only $11m more.

So thats $90m could still double it and be JUST above league average

Skubal extension would be nowhere near 22m. It could be closer to double that. Fried is getting close to 30.

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Bregman and Bellinger.

My final answer.

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