I agree with what was said
Given everything thats happend, film stats etc.
Think im really impressed with Mike Green, even with the allegations
I know he was playing some lower comp., but him and carter might be the two best “pure” pass rushers entering this draft
And context you need to look at all and make a decision on the player and it still might not be enough. Lol
So here’s why they’re different:
A&M plays a similar front to Georgia, it’s definitely in the mint-tite family. It’s a little different in that A&M rotates where their pressure comes from a little more frequently, including some opportunities for their “edge” defenders.
That said, Scourton had far more opportunities than Stewart did. When a down lineman got the opportunity to go, it was Scourton more often than not. You can see this by watching their initial movements… Stewart is consistently attacking the B gap. This is commonplace from edges on the Georgia tape as well, and most of the time it means their job is to cause pile-ups and havoc so the fly-around guys behind them can make plays.
Now that’s not to say Stewart didn’t get some opportunities - he did. But far less than most of the guys on that list, outside of Williams. Yes, even on “actual dropback pass situations.” So then it becomes an issue of sample size. If he’s not attacking the passer, how much can we punish him for not getting to the passer?
Now he’s absolutely still raw. His hands are amateurish, he exposes too much of his chest, he comes in too hot. But again, lots of inexperience there. It’s up to the staff to determine what he CAN be in a system like ours. Because there are some flashes that take your breath away.
I’m not as high as some people are on him, he’s 22nd overall on my board which is behind Williams at 15. He’s not a perfect prospect by any means, but you have to factor in the ceiling, which is sky, sky high. We’re talking Reggie White/Bruce Smith levels with his size and athleticism. Highly unlikely he hits those heights, but that’s where they are.
He’s an easy guy to like on tape, but he’s one of those guys for me like Chop and Wiggins last year where even though I like them, I turn my attention away because I’mm 90+% sure they won’t be on our board. I think the same of Green.
Agreed he wont be on our board, but i do think hes prolly the most nfl ready DE outside of Carter.
So we’re is Scourton on your board ?
Really tough guy to figure out. He was probably my favorite option for us coming into the year based on his Purdue tape, but this year didn’t go as planned. And it wasn’t just due to the different way he was used. I often ask myself, what is Brad gonna think about them? That’s why we’re doing this after all, to find future Lions. And I’m just not sure what Brad’s gonna think about the way he finished the year. Right now I’ve got him ranked in the early-mid 2nd round, but that could admittedly change.
Green is definitely NFL in an attacking scheme.
That is his personality, that is how he plays.
Green plays the run on the way to the QB on every play.
AG (and I assume Shep will follow) plays the run first and foremost before going after the QB.
They are usually attacking the opposing lineman square or on his edge rather than attacking a gap.
I think Green can play in most any scheme but he will excel in an attacking gap penetrating scheme.
I think the other 2 are close were you got them, I think you are down on Nic some.
I am, and it’s mostly based on trying to decipher Brad’s feelings.
It could also be influenced by the people I know around the A&M program, I’ve listened to them discuss his late-season tail-off more than a few times and they seem pretty resolute that he checked out to keep from getting hurt.
Him opting out of his bowl game is another nod toward this sentiment, and Brad doesn’t seem to love that. He’s only ever drafted one guy who didn’t play in his bowl game - Vaki - and that was on day 3. Would he do it on day one? I don’t know. We seem to really love guys who give it their all one final time for their teammates. I mean they went out of their way to mention playing in that last meaningless bowl game as something we loved about LaPorta, Campbell, Wingo, Gibbs & Branch, etc…
Because of all of those things I worry we won’t be as high on him, and that gives me trepidation. We’ve been pretty consistent so far.
Yep, football intelligence is hard to measure–knowing where the football is, what’s unfolding, and how to efficiently counter in crucial milliseconds where you can gain advantage or lose ground. It’s different for each position and more important at some positions, but the results are visible and huge.
Some people can see “it” and react, and others don’t. I love the physical part of the game, but the FBI is what I admire most–plays like Branch and Gibbs dial up regularly.
If you end up in a cult we’re not bailing you out. You’re on your own.
That’s my biggest problem with Walter Nolen, he’s completely lacking in awareness.
That said, Chris Jones also had some instinct/awareness issues and well, he fixed them up pretty good. So it’s not a knockout blow to his stock.
I’m always on guard against it. When they tried to get me to shave my head, get a matching tattoo, and alienate my family at our last ‘meeting’, I decided to take a break.
Don’t do anything involving logs or bonfires. We would miss you
I have a strong fear of falling AND being aflame, so I don’t spend a lot of time around the giant fires.
28 DET Derrick Harmon - DL (Pre-draft: #30)
6’4" 313 lbs Oregon JR
60 DET Jordan Burch - EDGE (Pre-draft: #78)
6’4" 279 lbs Oregon SR
111 DETCAR Jonas Sanker - S (Pre-draft: #135)
6’0" 206 lbs Virginia SR
130 DET Dylan Fairchild - IOL (Pre-draft: #154)
6’5" 318 lbs Georgia JR
163 DETCAR Jordan Hancock - CB (Pre-draft: #180)
6’0" 195 lbs Ohio State JR
196 DET Kaden Prather - WR (Pre-draft: #182)
6’3" 204 lbs Maryland SR
244 DET Eugene Asante - LB (Pre-draft: #260)
6’0" 223 lbs Auburn SR
22 Shemar Stewart EDGE | Texas A&M A+
65 Jonah Savaiinaea IOL | Arizona A+
100 Oluwafemi Oladejo EDGE | UCLA B+
124 Kevin Winston Jr. S | Penn State A
244 Branson Taylor OT | Pittsburgh D
This was a trade up to get Shemar then trade downs and back up just targeting players I want on the Lions. We don’t need quantity we need quality I think every player makes our roster and Taylor takes a redshirt year on IR but these guys fill a role. We gave up our 1st and 3rd for the[r 1st and 5th.
I would rather have a CB with your third pick
