You can the same for John Elway…I guess 
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This is why Josh Allen is my favorite current QB. He’s got great rushing / scrambling ability but he can also sling it. In 5 years when he loses some of his rushing ability he’s still going to be a top 10 QB.
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I would trade a 12th rd pick in 3023…
But that is pretty steep
Hell id rather have orlovsky unretire lol
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I wouldn’t trade 3 coneys from Lafayette’s for him. He most assuredly is not the answer and why waste time.
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Allen is a stud. The dual threat guys are truly special, Mahomes, Allen and Rodgers in his prime. They scramble out of the pocket but are still looking to do damage down field still in the pass game. When plays break down is when you can get some huge plays downfield. Sure they take off and run at times, but they are looking to throw first whereas guys like Lamar and Cam are looking to run first when scrambling. Big difference.
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nice distinction - Truth!
Also- Stafford is more handsome than any of those dudes.
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NO! We to play the best we can. That certainty includes backup QB. Leave little to chance and keep them pumped!
Seems like most QBs , Stafford included. Who also isn’t the same QB when injured but that wouldn’t make him a bad QB
I think the point I’m making is the idea of good QB is a narrative pushed by the nfl and the rules due to the game but that doesn’t necessarily mean that Cam wasn’t a good QB , just an unorthodox QB who found success both individually and as a team differently than what is generally sold as the way.
So Cam being injured doesn’t mean he’s a bad QB just like Stafford playing injured wasn’t the same as a healthy Stafford.
Do you think nfl defenses are worried playing players like Lamar and cam when healthy ?
Do you think nfl defensive players see them as bad QBs when healthy ?
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Stafford @ 80% is still awesome.
Running QBs at 80%, not so much
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Stafford once he broke his hand fighting the dB in Chicago
80% wasn’t enough to hold off packers for the division.
Stafford missing time this year sounds like a concern to rams fans but still wouldn’t make a prime Stafford ( like a prime Cam or Lamar ) a bad QB.
Depends on the injury, and how debilitating it is. Point being, a running QB, no matter what the injury is, will get it hit/inflammed and there’s no way to protect it.
Matt won a SB with tendinitis last year.
A QB that relies on his feet is going to get hit.
Matt has had great games while injured a lot of times. Depends on the injury.
Broken hand is tougher than broken ribs. Broken back is tougher than bruised or broken ribs as well.
Lots of variables.
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I agree
The lots of variables is actually part of my defense for Lamar and Cam
Who are being said aren’t good QBs but injury took
One of Cams strengths away
It would be like comparing Denver Manning to Colts prime manning.
Stafford played worse with the broken hand and lions lost the division. Doesn’t make Stafford a bad QB especially if his strength is throwing and not running.
I kind of think there’s a sweet spot for an nfl team to build great teams with a running g QB and the drop off in talent might not be as noticeable when going from Lamar to Colin K
- in terms of scheme and what they can do - as it is to go from Stafford to boyle.
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Elway played at a different time. His stats were rather good for his time. He actually lead the league in passing one year. He has actually lead the league in many passing categories.
Cam never even came close outside of his rushing abilities.
Elway is a HofF QB…. Do you think Cam will be a first ballot HofF QB?
Let’s compare Cams stats to Bobbly Laynes too. Layne was the top QB of his time and Cams numbers are far better. Context is important.
I agree I think Allen has the potential to have a long career.
Some QB’s like Wilson, and Rogers had the passing abilities to overcome the loss of their running abilities.
Cam did not and nor does Lamar Jackson.
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Elway played in the WCO….an offense that is a QB friendly system and is designed for high completion percentage and low turnover rate. Elway did turn the ball over a lot, in his 16 year career he only completed 60 percent or better three times…THREE. Cam did not play in a WCO or QB friendly system designed for high completion percentage. Cam used his talents to propel his team to wins, division titles, playoff wins & a Super Bowl. If you are gonna hold Cam’s completion percentage against him you’d have to do the same for Elway
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It’s not a fair comparison because they played at different times. Like I said your comparing him to a hall of fame QB and you might as well compare him to Bobby Lanes stats to make your argument. Different times. Context is very important when you compare.
And it’s not just about completion percentages.
When Elway played completion percentages were lower on average. He was never near the bottom of the league in completion percentages.
Elway lead the league in many passing statistical categories. Breaking and setting passing records. He was near the top in the league in passing yards many times. Including 1993 when he lead the league in passing yards.
Cam was near the bottom of the league in completion percentages for starting QB’s during his time. Elway was not.
Cam doesn’t hold any statistical passing categories.
Cam set some records but they all include some form of running stats to do it. Like first QB to pass and run for kinda thing.
If not for his legs and running abilities no one would even remember the guy. His career was underwhelming otherwise.
Great runner but far below average passer.
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Nah….he wasn’t a far below average passer. You don’t have his passing stats if you are. That said, no one can diminish his overall impact and value to his team. Out of the gate he passed for 4000+ yds….far below average passer DONT do that. I’ll just leave it at that!
He had one season where he passed for more than 3900 yards…… one!
Far above average passers DONT do that. I’ll just leave you with that!
Kirk Cousins and Derrick Carr have 6 in comparison, Tony Romo had 4, Joe Flacco had 3. Ryan Tannehill has 3 and Andy Dalton has 2. All of these guys have a higher completion percentage too.
Jared Goff has 3 already.
Jay Cutler had one with similar career passing stats but a higher completion percentage.
Cam came in the league about the same time as Dalton, Cousins, Carr, Wilson and Tannehill. Compare their passing stats. His numbers are below them all.
Yards per attempt is way more meaningful than yards. A guy like Stafford who played in the shotgun all the time changes your running game into a checkdown pass game. Look at the pass attempts.