So whose stretching stats now? Whose the leading wr for the bears? st brown w 18 balls BIG WHOOP. At this point in his career fields is a runner who hasn’t figured out how to throw yet. And yes, their defense has been improved against the run. I was impressed w the Cook performance but they also did give up 400 plus passing and 200 plus to Jefferson. I’m very high in this team and this defense this has nothing to do w the defense as a whole or where we are going it just has to one simple truth. Sauce Gardner is more deserving of the DROY. The things he is doing as a rookie corner are insane. And two things tell me the NFL agrees 1) he made the pro bowl and is most likely an all pro and 2) fhe Vegas odds. Aiden isn’t even a top 5 DE in the league. Sauce is the best corner in the game. That’s it, it’s that simple. To be on an island as a rookie corner with no over the top help is impressive as hell. He allows the entire defense to play differently and scheme differently and make the entire defense stronger as a result. So everything you are saying about Aiden is 100% correct but it is also correct for sauce. The way Aiden picked off fields today was nasty. And I’m happy we have him and ir sucks he won’t get the DROY. But this same convo could be had about MCDC a COY. He is so deserving but it’s the eagles coach’s to lose. And thst sucks bc DAN deserves it but what the eagles have done is even more impressive.
Your arguing an opinion. You think he’s the best, as shown earlier he’s not. Woolen has been just as incredible, 6 ints as a rook, Hutch has also been incredible.
Sorry pointing out the obvious improvement in the D isn’t slanted. You pick 1 game when injuries played a significant role and today when the no. 2 QB rusher in history had a 1st qtr then nothing else and then hold it against Hutch as if he’s at fault.
Your opinion is yours to have. Telling me that with 1 game left and it being a 3 horse race that it’s over already and Sauce has it already, is still just YOUR opinion.
MY opinion hasn’t changed 1 bit. It’s a 3 horse race with a game to go
Lol, all I read was “my opinion is your wrong!”
Well Vegas seems to think sauce has it locked up and Wooten hasn’t been as good as sauce. For someone who accused me of stretching the stats you really are picking and choosing.
LOL, well that’s what your telling everyone, your right. You in fact did just that. Ignoring all the changes, Ignoring all the improvement, citing a 5 qtr stretch that clearly ended after the 1st qtr today. Ignoring the ppg difference.
Your opinion is not fact. Your cherry picking stats to make a point. Using what after the 1st 7 games was historically a bad D, which significantly alters the rankings vs the past 9 games, using that as the premise that precludes Hutch from a chance. A guy who’s team is still fighting for a playoff spot. With his own historical season
Woolen isn’t as good, yep, a guy that gets 3 times the ints 6 possessions taken from the opponent and given to your team which is also right in it for a playoff spot and has been incredible in his own right.
Your argument is simply sauce is the best in the game, yet that’s your opinion and not fact, and my argument is weak, that it’s a 3 horse race, lol whatever floats your boat
You are focusing way too much on ints a lot more then just ints suggest sauce is the guy. And I’m not cherry picking stats. Sauce has been the leader for DROY of the year the entire season. You wanna focus on a 7 game stretch of improvement and forget about the 500 yards of rushing given up in 5 quarters or the fact that the bears offense sucks. The defense while
Improved is still poor. You are gonna have a hard time proving bud impact compared to sauce. The overall body of work says sauce. If people threw at sauce he would have more interceptions. In a few weeks when sauce is named DROY we can revisit this conversation. Vegas usually has a really good idea of where things are and sauce has a pretty big lead……have a good one.
Fun fact to throw out there while you two continue with whatever this is.
Sauce has 61 targets. Even if you count the fact the Lions apparently didn’t throw to him, that is pretty much 4 targets a game over 15 games. Not a lot of throws his way so that could play into the INT thing.
Take that for what you will gentleman, and carry on.
… and hutch is more handsome.
…take that for what you will as well
Ya and my only question on that was it due to his player not being open, they didnt want to test him, or they didnt need to because they would rather test the other guys. There were games okudah wasnt thrown at because ao is terrible or jacobs because of jeff etc. Certainly not comparing them just saying that sometimes teams gameplan around you because of you and sometimes its the guys you are running with.
DROY unless he flat out gets robbed
Isn’t that kind of saying the same thing? “Look at these guys over here because we don’t want to test this guy”. That’s kind of the point.
One is picking your poisin the other is not being dumb to avoid the terrible guy on the other side. Not the same
Like tripling aidan because they knew brockers wouldnt hurt them. Teams arent as willing to deploy that strategy when McNeil, houston, cominsky have been proving they can beat single teams.
The first is saying we would throw at you but why should we when we know we can pop for 300 against these other guys or do what we need to best you. The other is you scare us and we dont care who is on the other side we arent throwing at you
I don’t see the difference. Teams know Sauce is dangerous and so he gets left alone because they’ve tried to figure out who it would be best to exploit.
Well ints are big historically speaking going back to Woodson, for DROY as a CB, his 6, with 1 a pick six, 2 FR, and a blocked FG, to go along with top 15 stats in coverage and QB rating against, would historically speaking make him the favorite over sauce.
That doesn’t mean it’s the case this yr. If he has a big game it could seal the deal.
If sauce has a big game it ciuld seal the deal.
If either has a poor showing it could sway the other way.
Finally if Hutch has a big game it could swing Hutch’s way.
They all have a foot in the race. The last game could potentially swing it in any direction, IMO
In my personal opinion and my personal opinion alone, if you’re implying that QBs are not throwing at Sauce simply because they see bigger holes on the other side, you’re wrong.
So you’re just not going to throw to your #1 WR all day because you’re #2 has “better odds” rather than respecting Sauce?
Both can be true.
I didnt say that is what sauce has been, what i am saying is that a lot of teams scheme to your weakness. And if the other guys are pylons out there yes they go to their other receiver.
Now i believe from what i had seen that it wasnt that with sauce but again i was asking the question as i hadnt watched every jets game to have a truly informed decision. Also, when watching the game against the seahawks today he struggled a little in coverage from what i saw, not bad but definitely wasnt a game changer. Thus i asked the question. But there 100% is a difference behind being the best of a bunch of bad secondary play or being a true star. Hello jeff okudah
I will agree with this. Not his best day at the office. Still no TDs allowed.
And that is kind of my point as well and JO is a great example. In almost half the playing time (Sauce hasn’t been pulled for a half being sick, hasn’t been benched for two halves, hasn’t missed a game), Okudah has been targeted 67 times.
Playing full time, he’s been targeted 61. That’s a significant drop off when you consider playing time AND Saunce has a better #2 than Jacobs (sorry love you Jerry) and the numbers are still skewed to the other side.
Sometimes you just want no part of the guy and my belief based on watching is that QBs want no part of him. Goff is not afraid to sling it to whoever no matter what or who is in coverage and still didn’t throw it in his direction once when they played. I think that’s a testament and a nod of respect to a rookie CB from a veteran QB.
We’re splitting hairs a little. I think we’re saying the same thing just from opposite sides of the perspective.
But hey, we’re getting off-track here. This is an excellent topic and we’re taking away a bit from the Aiden vs. Sauce talk.
Ya not trying to take away from the droy comparison more just trying to understand if we are talking revis island or sherman where he had earl thomas behind him erasing his mistakes. Both good players but one stood out as a true island shutdown guy.
Anyways, i think that hutch as a hybrid kind of player based on impact plays while being double and triple teams that he is certainly deserving as is sauce. My only question for those that say not hutch is, what would he have had to do in your mind to overcome what sauce has done? I personally see it as a 3 man race, but if you think it is sewn up, is there anything he could have done?
He said after the game regarding the INT that he thought “there’s no way he’s going to throw the ball this way”… Talk about a deer in headlights moment 
Classic trap play for it to hit him in the hands and fall right out. But he made the play so kudos to him.
I personally don’t think it’s sewn up. I’ve said the whole time there’s an argument to be made all around for the two (and now the three).
This might be out of line, but does anyone else get into some of these threads and just get to the point where you want yell…PLEASE JUST SHUT THE F’ UP AND STOP THE BICKERING.
I think we should create a new “Room” on The DEN and call it the “Closed Cage Death Match Room” and every time a couple (or a few posters) get into these endless back and forth bickering matches they get sent to the “Closed Cage Death Match Room” to work it out.
Only one comes out alive.
Something occurred to me… hutch has been thrown at how many times, and he has 3 int’s playmakers just make plays and maybe hutch is more of a playmaker as evidenced by his splash plays.
I say that somewhat tongue in cheek based on i think both are showing to have very bright futures and be real impact players on their team. Just crazy that hutch has more interceptions than him as a defensive end.