If you decline the penalty it keeps running. That’s my understanding at least.
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They asked Bowles why he didnt take the timeout. He said the Lions were lined up for a FG, and they were only gonna have about 12 seconds left anyway. He said they weren’t gonna come back from that.
I’d be furious if I was a TB fan.
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Writer’s strike and nobody caught the time error
They had to improvise a cover tha came off believeable …
Blame Michael Keegan Even if his script has been brilliant up til now
I just watched ESPN and heard Bowles take on it
He conceded…. He’s not wrong. They would have 12 seconds left and needed two scores and a 2pt conversion just to tie it.
We would have kicked off and squibble kicked it burning most of their time off.
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If they call TO on 4th down we attempt a FG. If they block it maybe, just maybe there is enough time to recover and try to run a play or two with no time outs left. If we make it the game is a blow out even more.
The Lions snapped too early but Todd did the classy thing and conceded.
I guess someone can be mad Coach B. didn’t force us to try a field goal on 4th down. Or to punt giving them maybe one more play from the 20 if there is a touchback? With no time outs. Run around flinging the ball backwards maybe getting a guy hurt for a play that is meaningless. They are too far away to try a Hail Mary if the Lions punt.
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There is no way that the Lions snapped early like that without having some time of handshake agreement.
The Bucs could’ve had over 30 seconds left and a chance to block a FG. Both squads immediately took the field after the last snap.
Now you can question why would the Bucs nt force the issue, if the Lions missed a FG, they may have had two plays.
My guess is that the lions would’ve taken more time away. They would not have knelt theee straight times, maybe Goff runs back 4-5 yards and wastes a couple extra seconds each time. They likely could’ve wasted the 12 seconds or so they needed to
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Greg Schiano would not approve. Lol
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And it’s after a win, LOL.
One thing is clear, ain’t none of y’all who’ve argued about this the last two hours do math in your day jobs.
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Seriously, it may be the most IDGAF worthy thread ever…I mean, I get the point, but, the point dont aint no matter at this point, imo
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I really don’t see it that way. I’m not even trying to be argumentative. I take away 2 things from this.
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We need to be more aware. Didn’t bite us. And even if that had used the timeout, their chances were slim. But let’s not give that a chance.
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Something that normally goes against us, that we’d be talking about all week, went in favor of us
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I don’t know how else to say it, but we were 100% aware. BTW, I don’t take this as you being argumentative. I’ve known you (virtually) too long to think that. Plus, you’re not alone. I think folks are not recognizing (and I’m failing to emphasize clearly) the significance of the 1st domino.
Goff snaps the ball at 1:33…
Bowles doesn’t call a timeout.
That is 100% telling Dan that he’s not going to burn his final timeout.
That tells Dan to time their 2nd down snap where he’s taking the 3rd down snap at just under 40 seconds, which get the boys off the field.
That’s what we did. We hurried along our 2nd down snap to where the 3rd down snap was at 37 seconds.
If Bowles was going to use his timeout, he uses it immediately after that 1st down snap.
Bowles says they decided not to burn it because 12 seconds (the estimated amount of time that would have been remaining if he had called it on 1st down) wasn’t enough to win them the game.
Once Bowles makes that decision there’s no turning back for him. You don’t concede on 1st down only to call TO on 2nd or 3rd down. (At least Bowles wouldn’t.)
IF (and that is a big IF) there is room for criticism, we’d have to join @bols in his criticism of Bowles (I wouldn’t) for not trying to do something with that 12 seconds. (Maybe playing for a potential fumble or blocked FG attempt.)
If he had called that timeout after the 1st down snap, that forces the Lions to run the ball on them with their 2nd and 3rd downs … then ~maybe~ kick a field goal on 4th down (if they hadn’t eaten enough clock on 2nd and 3rd downs)… then make them line-up for a kick-off down 2 scores with 10 seconds (or less) to go. That’s something we might try in year 1 trying to teach your team how to compete. That’s not something a veteran coach does with a veteran team that lost the game on Mayfield’s INT.
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I’m pretty sure that a lot of people here are old enough to remember the punt from the MSU/ UofM game. Things like that don’t happen if you quit.
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Punt vs FG, though. If Mayfield turns it over on our 20 instead of his own, it’s a different set of circumstances and Bowles forces us to punt.
You can’t block a FG, and run it back for TD?
This is not really worth debating to be honest. I just know how I would feel if I was a Tampa fan.
Yes. It’s possible.
Just saying that for a coach like Bowles, field position would undoubtedly have swayed him.
You know, if it was Lovie Smith I’d probably be roasting him for it. If I were a Tampa fan, I’m not 100% sure how I’d feel. I think I would recognize the situation and respect the coach for sparing the team further humiliation. I’m 100% NOT criticizing you on your reaction. I get it. I just break on a different side.
And to be clear… bringing it back to the OP… Florio’s charge of “screwed up and nobody knew” is 100% wrong. Both sides knew what they and the other were doing in the moment. Florio showed his own ignorance. (again)
You can disagree with Bowles decision, and I don’t fault anyone for where they land on that, but you’re understanding that it WAS a decision, that it was made immediately after the INT and that the final 1:33 played out according to that decision. That was the 1st domino. Bowles knew the math and took the TO with him into the locker room with his players.
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Exactly. If Bowles conceded at this point, and I’m still in shock that it appears he may have, I’d fire him. Seriously. Many of us have watched thousands of football games and you simply don’t give away 30 seconds when you’re down 1 score especially in a playoff game but that part doesn’t even matter. Crazy things happen…a LOT.
I’m still not really understanding what happened and also wonder how we screwed it up. Campbell is ALL about the details and this was a HUGE detail. Very confusing.
No, I’m not going to focus on this. We won the game, deserved to win and we’re playimg for the NFC Title and that’s ALL I care about.
It’s just such a strange thing that occurred.
Barnes intercepted the ball with 1:31 remaining. TB had 1 TO.
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Lions kneel on 1st, TB calls TO with 1:29 remaining.
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Lions run/kneel on 2nd - clock down to 47 seconds (40 seconds for play clock + 2 seconds for the play)
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Lions run/kneel on 3rd - clock down to 5 seconds (40 seconds for play clock + 2 seconds for the play)
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Lions snap the ball on 4th down and have Goff roll to the right and throw a bomb as high in the air as possible or dozens of other options such as punting/taking a safety/etc to run the clock out. Heck, the lions could have gotten the clock down to zero by simply running instead of kneeling on the previous downs.
Game. Over.
There is no 12 seconds left, 18 seconds left, or any other outcomes that have been suggested. Barnes ended the game.
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Radio and Line mail it here. This game was over. I respect Coach Todd in that he isn’t going to risk forcing the Lions to run real plays (also risking his players) hoping the Lions make a mistake they are very, very unlikely to make.
His players were deflated. Their chance at winning was gone. Why risk your players or Dan’s players when the game is out of reach?
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